Sleezy Vibes With Jim Dalton

0:02 Hey, what's up, everybody? Welcome to Viving with Sleazy the podcast. This is season seven, episode six. I want to thank everybody for listening, tuning in, and downloading. It's been a fun season so far. Um, I am recording this episode out of Louisville, Kentucky. However, my guest is in Hendersonville, Tennessee, where I just was. Uh just spent um about four days down there in Hendersonville visiting uh my guest and his wife, uh, so who was also a guest on episode one of this season. But other than that, I just want to give a special introduction to Jim Dalton. How are you doing? I'm doing all right. Thank you so much for that.

0:43 How are you? Doing good, doing good. Um, I uh just spent the weekend with you, so uh it's good to see you again. Longtime no see. Uh I always uh I've had Jim on, I think majority of seasons. I've had Christine on every single one. Uh Jim and Christine are family. I go down and visit multiple times a year in Hendersonville, and they're planning on making a move to Colorado. Um, but yeah, spent four days down there. It was a good time to relax, get away. Uh, weather was beautiful. I was about to say you picked the right time because today it is not warm at all. It's unseasonably cold. Yeah, it's absolutely awful.

1:24 Uh, it got freezing. We had a huge storm hit last night. I got in safely last night, and then a storm hit, um, and then it just turned everything cold. It's gonna be cold for a few days and then hopefully warm up a little bit. But um overall with the trip, uh, what was fun was like we did get to uh cook some ribs, which was great. Uh, those turned out awesome on Sunday. We had those in the smoker and then uh went out to a couple places and then kind of just chilled. But yeah, the weather worked out great, and uh overall it was uh it was a perfect time. So I I thank you all for that. Oh, absolutely. Like you said, your family, you're always welcome, and that's regardless of wherever we are, if it's here, if it's you know, Colorado, if it's middle of nowhere.

2:09 Yeah, always welcome, man. And uh thankfully it's uh a lot of the stuff that we do is relatively low-key, and and you know, it's like I'm glad that you're you're a low-key person too, and we don't have to worry about like taking you to all the places. Granted, you live down here for a few years, so you kind of understand everything and have already done it all, and yeah, you know, everything that's net new in some capacity is some form or fashion of something you've already done, so it's kind of like hand-wave it away. There's not like a ton that's really popped since you left. Oh, yeah, and and the thing about it is if if I break off from the group, I go to like a baseball game downtown, I link with Jama. Um, you know, I might go to a sporting event um, you know, when I'm down there, but that's really it.

2:51 Um, you know, like we were discussing over the weekend, and you know, we've talked about it on the last episode how tourism has taken over Nashville, you know, so big. And um we were actually, you know, just sitting there chilling at the house, looking at stuff around town, and and you know, after I looked at it, it's like Hendersonville. Yeah, there's Rock Castle, still hasn't been renovated, you know, finished yet. I know they were working on it to hopefully have it into this month. And then there's like an art museum and uh and like an old fort, you know, that was like rebuilt. Nothing too exciting in the area, so I've pretty much done all that. And when you go to Nashville, the only thing I haven't done is the uh Black Music Museum, which is brand new.

3:34 Uh, it costs about$33. It's downtown on Broadway. Uh looks incredible, looks awesome, but not making a trip to Broadway just for one museum. And when I literally like look at the multiple tourism sites in Nashville, it's like, damn, I've done it all. And there's just really for it to have so much tourism and for me not to have lived there since 2012, and we all never, you know, we never go do crazy things or nothing besides like Topgolf at one time. It's just the thing that I I wonder, it's like, you know, how did it get so developed and big without adding new attractions? You know, that's the one thing. I think that um there's something to be said about just Nashville being an it city in general.

4:20 It really cultivated its name on the back of music. And in 2010, whenever we had that flood, and this is all speculation and opinion, I have no like you know, understanding of insider's horses or anything like that. But whenever the 2012 flood or 2010 flood happened, a lot of those bars downtown, especially on second Ave, and kind of leading up the road, because it does slant up if your listeners have never been there. Uh Broadway does slowly and gradually creep up an incline uh up until you start to hit like over there by the interstate where 65 and 40 link up. But um, you know, a lot of those bars, you know, what's what what do insurance companies do?

5:05 Hey, we can either pay you out this much or you can rebuild, depending upon who it was. I would wager to say, I bet it was a mixed bag of people who left and uh, you know, those that stayed. And, you know, as somebody who like I had coincidentally, two friends of mine who had uh bachelor parties down here. They were, you know, a part of the wedding party and everything like that. Somebody younger in their family was getting married. And usually Nashville's known for Nash Lorettes, you know, like the Bachelorette parties, and they wear the sashes and the matching shirts and all this other stuff. You know, yeah, it's it could be fun, but you know, I don't know. It's not my not my bag, but I I did I did go down, you know, down to see these guys just to say, hey, hang out for a bit in the afternoon.

5:50 And one of the things that I really like really noticed was a lot of the the newer developed bars are have all the same look and feel. They're playing the same songs, they have the same type of live music. And it's not just one stage, it's multiple stages across multiple floors, and it just really didn't have that organic Nashville feeling. And uh, you know, it's I I've said it to you before, and and I'll happily say it again, but to that point, I think that there's just this aura around it, and just the developers within Nashville are continuing to index on that because it makes money.

6:31 Before that really hit, Nashville was a healthcare city and music industry. But you know, I haven't been a part of the music industry in you know over 10 years at this point, 12 years. So my knowledge of what's going on in that space here specifically is really atrophied. But just my kind of inkling of seeing what's going on, Atlanta's popped, that's a big hub now, especially not just in music, but in television and movies, you know, The Walking Dead, that's where they did all their filming. I know that's dated, but uh still you you get a lot of traction there because of the airport and the mobility and everything like that. But, you know, I I really think that Nashville has indexed so much on uh tourism as an income generator, and I know way, way too many people from New Orleans and from Las Vegas in the IT space alone to know once you go down that road, it's done.

7:33 You no longer have a city, an economy, a you know, just overall um kind of view through like the health of everything in general that's going to be able to withstand the the peaks and valleys, especially the valleys of the economy. Those are things that you know aren't in our control where we are. You know, we're we're closer to being destitute and poor than being billionaires, but that's another another story altogether. But you know, that's largely what kind of started the the conversation. I know we're probably going out of order in what we kind of talked about, but that's largely what influenced, you know, my opinion going back to about 2013, 2012, and and just seeing the direction where everything was going to say, like, I don't think this is gonna end up in a in a good place for somebody like me.

8:26 Um, you know, and and I have to be always mindful about like jobs and everything like that. And I know we're in a new new normal with you know remote jobs and crap like that, but it's it's just it's a different ball game. Uh, because what I don't want is to get caught up in some sort of like huge recession, worse than what we did in 08, and then be sitting here and and dealing with issues like that because that's not because nobody will come and spend money on entertainment and tourism and stuff like that. So it's it's just a matter of well, if nobody's spending money, there are no jobs. It's easy as that. So yeah, and that could get that can get very scary in such an entertainment tourism city, and you know, and definitely they Nashville definitely had the health care, you know.

9:11 I know Vanderbilt does a really good job with you know their healthcare uh area, but um, but yeah, so to kind of go off of that to talk about a few topics that we had discussed that we wanted to talk about was um industries, like you know, you you stay up to know with businesses and different things. What industries do you see on the uprise and then that you see on the decline? Yeah, and this is gonna dovetail into a lot of things that we'll also talk up talk about too. But like one of the things that you you you have to kind of separate, in my opinion, is like where the money is going. Like you've if you look up on the internet from any reliable news source, like anything about artificial intelligence and propic, um Gemini, Microsoft solution, chat GPT, you name it, anything that's going around, uh, NVIDIA is is another one.

10:06 If you look at the money changing hands with these separate entities, it's it's looking more and more like, well, yeah, there's a lot of growth, there's a lot of adoption, there's a lot of utilization across the board. So yeah, you can say that that's kind of grown, but I also kind of take the long lens and a step back to say, well, look at what Apple promised Siri to be. And you know me, I'm a big Apple fanboy. That's all the hardware that we have in this house. We we don't have anything beyond that. Um, so it's it's like that. I lay that out at the beginning. It's like that's that's where I'm coming from, but I'm still also being very critical of what they said that things could be.

10:47 So you you have this like virtual assistant that said to promise you the world and then it gave you kind of a mixed results, right? It can't understand everything correctly. Maybe it won't launch the right app whenever you ask it to, uh, so on and so forth. But I think that that's kind of the same thing that's going on in that space overall. Um, you know, tech is always going to be kind of one of those that rides the wave a bit longer. Uh the you know, dot-com boom and subsequent bust was essentially replaced with the housing crisis and things of that nature.

11:30 But, you know, out of all of that, you had a lot of interesting things take place in that window. So you had like cellular phones going smart, you had things going from dial up internet to high speed, a lot of these things that were removing barriers of friction in those spaces took time to do. And so whenever I look at, you know, what businesses are kind of removing friction, it's in this really weird tied-up space with like a bunch of variables that are are incredibly complex. Uh, you know, you know, you can't really distill everything down to just, oh, these spaces are are doing really well for these, you know, few reasons.

12:13 It's usually influenced by a lot of things. I know that's a big non-answer to what you just asked. Yeah. But uh, you know, it's like I I will say that things like uh the the technology industry overall is always going to be a strong player. Uh automotive doesn't go anywhere, especially in the United States, you know, being such a big car culture thing, it just kind of gets muted for a little bit, right? It it will come back. Uh even the government will bail them out if they need to, but uh you will always see that kind of be a uh core space for a lot of things.

12:54 The the other thing that is always really interesting too, and and it's not one that gets a lot of attention, but it's like uh things like fashion and life brands, things that are out there where people are like, oh, I have this fancy wallet and I'm one of them. You know, it's like I've had two of these ridge wallets, not to you know, kind of pump them up there, but yeah, it's like I have the ridge pin too. It's it's those types of things that are just a little higher quality, but they make a world of difference. And a lot of that, which I think is tied up in you know, your experience with it and then being a promoter along with it. And we can exist in these silos, right?

13:34 Where it's like, I don't deal with anything sports related. Yeah, you know, you you you could basically have a heads up on like, oh hey, the NFL is using these new helmets, and you know, five out of ten guys are using them, but here's the drawback, but here's the value prop with it. That would be more relevant to somebody like in the college sports space, in the high school sports space, or the you know uh younger leagues that would be dealing with that type of stuff. So it's so diverse that it's really a personalized type of approach. And I'm not a financial advisor, nor you know, um, nor do I play one on TV, but I do always recommend it's like the the things that you look at that you have situational awareness to, you you should know what's going on.

14:24 And while I do try to keep a broad brush about like what's moving and shaking, it's just it's an interesting time that we live in, all things considered. Now, with um all that being said, um, something we also want to discuss with all these industries that are doing well, and even the industries that are in a decline looking for something to raise them back up, you know, we have to discuss AI. Um, you know, AI has taken over so big, and especially the past 10 years, five years, it's been incredible, and it's like it's a big talking point. You know, you hear it on the news, you hear it on entertainment, you hear it, uh, friends talking, you hear it with coworkers.

15:07 It's like um with artificial intelligence, uh, what direction do you see that going? Like, I know we don't we both don't have like numbers laid out in front of us, but do you see that um helping industry, or do you see that uh maybe eventually having like uh yeah, it's improving some things and then it trickled down? My thought on uh AI is going to be separated into a few different sections. The first one is going to be uh just the overall performance. Like I mentioned with Siri, it took it a while to get to the point to be somewhat okay. Like when my mother-in-law texts me, she's never texting me, she's talking into the phone and it's translating it.

15:53 Over the last 10 years, it's gotten so much better. But then again, I learned how to read fragmented Paula talking into her phone and say and going, oh, she probably means this. Okay, moving on. So those those types of mistakes have gotten less and less. Uh, so I think that we're at a point where AI can do, and this is like kind of point number one, is AI can do specific things really well. It's the right tool for the right job type of thing. I'll give you a case or like an example in my personal professional life where I use AI to do certain things. Uh, say, for example, I have numerous phone numbers for numerous people that need to go to specific addresses, and I also have to route them through separate vendors because you know, some of them may be here in the States, some of them may not be.

16:42 Okay, cool. I dump all of those documents into uh AI and say, I need you to create a spreadsheet for me. And I also need you to separate them out so that way I can share with the appropriate vendors, people, contacts, you name it. It's really good at doing that. It's very good at getting to that point. It used to not be. And now it's it's grown into it. So I think it's just a continued learning exercise. And I will say that whenever I first started at my current role in 2021, one of the first things that I did was look at an AI bot to actually ingest IT issues and create tickets and you know, surface documents and surface people to talk to, you name it.

17:36 That's been in the mix for you know five years at this point. Uh we'll we'll we'll give it four, three and a half, four. Uh it started with a 20% like deflection rate of like, hey, I I didn't know me as the customer, I'm typing my stuff in and this gave me this information. It was 20% successful then. It's about 65-70% successful given the month. So it's grown, you know, a good bit year over year, but it's had enough time to train on the things that are specific to that organization. So that's where I'm coming from. Like it takes time to get there, but right now, the way that it is, it's not the right tool for all jobs.

18:18 And so that's the kind of delineation that I want to make with that. Uh, thing number two is going to be, I think, the, and I mentioned this earlier with the money changing hands between different folks. Uh, you you can just watch that happen in real time. And eventually, and it this is way above my pay grade, eventually the people on the boards of whomever are going to come and say, what value are we getting out of this? Show me where we've saved money, show me where we've had higher velocity, show me all these metrics. And I think that leadership uh in those positions are gonna have a tough time doing that. So, what does that mean? If it's it's the if it's a boom, they you know get more money, they keep going on, they keep training it, they keep doing all these things.

19:05 If it's a bust, that money gets pulled, and licensing for things like chat GPT just bottoms out and and you know, people move along. And then it becomes more of an academia type of thing back where where I think it will end up. Uh, and then the the last part of this, which I think is in it, and it's the most critical to me. Uh, and I don't know if we've ever discussed this on the podcast, but I was uh an environmental chemist specializing in atmospheric science. Um, that's what I did before I got involved in IT. So I tend to index on environmental issues. That's what I look at. I enjoy it. It's it's great. Uh, the only problem is it doesn't pay very well. So there's that. Uh but um whenever you go and ask an AI tool, hey, I need X, Y, and Z, and you're asking it to do these things.

19:55 Every few questions or queries you throw at it is about half uh half a liter of 500 milliliters of water. It's also consuming a lot of electricity. And some data centers are really good about being committed to protecting the community. We have a meta data center in Gallatin. It's just, you know, probably five or six miles as the crow flies from where I'm standing right now. And their whole pitch to Gallatin was to be water neutral by 2030. So what that means is they're they are not consuming any more water than is in the environment by that point.

20:40 They also committed to the uh electric infrastructure as to not put unnecessary strain on it. Now, right, wrong, and different meta can, you know, do all the things if you're if you're a big Facebook fan or insta fan, you know, and and there's a lot of stuff in the world about addiction and and creating uh negative outcomes for kids and stuff like that. While I can talk about that all day, I can also look at something like that and go, that's the right way to do a data center. Now, the wrong way. Now legally, now legally, are they held to that contract, or is this just what they're pitching and saying that they're legally bound to a contract, right?

21:21 To hold to those environmental standards? It's it well that's up to um there's a lot tied, there's a lot tied up in that because you have, you know, like you said, city, uh county standards, state standards, federal standards, things of that nature. I don't know if they legally did a deal with the city to say, no, this is a part of us actually doing this. But the fact that they have it up online, the fact that that was like a part of the news cycle several, several, several times, it makes me think that even in 2026 that they're gonna be adhering to that. It's not gonna go away. But that's good.

22:03 Yeah. But like but I think you're right. It's it's it depends on how they do it. And it's some of these data centers, they could do it right if they if they wanted to. And and and I think that that's part of it. And then the ridiculous thing is that you turn around and look at how you do it wrong. And also I do want to say there are data centers all over the greater Middle Tennessee area. We have a ton. You just don't know they exist. And part of what those data centers do is what they do co-location, where I'm a business, I have stuff inside of my building. Oh, the tornado that came through a few years ago has me concerned. What should I do for fault tolerance planning of my company?

22:46 Okay, great, fantastic. Let's talk about moving all of your stuff inside of your office, inside of your bank, inside of your financial institution into a colo data center. Yes, you're going to pay more, but if your building gets wiped away, it's not going to be an issue. I actually had a customer a long time ago that their building got struck by lightning, fried everything. And they built the building, they owned it. I was telling the you know kind of higher-level leadership at the organization, you're going to be chasing ghosts in here for years. You're going to find weird stuff, and it's not going to be just IT related. You're going to be flipping switches, and you know, light bulbs are going to flicker, and all this other weird stuff is going to happen.

23:30 And it may not be now, it may not be five years, it could be ten years, it could be longer. But it's just one of those things that happens to influence somebody to go that route. But anyway, the the way you don't do data center or the way you do data centers wrong and is really, really just awful, is you go and find a hatch of land and you know, buy it up cheap, and then you just you build on it, you you bribe people locally, you do things that aren't going to be really welcomed. And and a key example, if any of your listeners want to go and look at it, is there's a grok uh data center from Elon Musk in the greater Memphis area that's built around low-income housing, and it's eating up water and resources just all the time.

24:21 In addition to that, there are these generators that you can pull up for, you know, you don't do them for long term. That's not what they're designed for, for and I'll explain why here in a moment. But you pull up these big trailer generators, you plug them into your backbone of your of your power grid for the actual data center and turn them on. Well, there's limits to that. Like you can't just you know plug in a bunch of them and and just say, hey, we're good to go. It's it's really meant to only be a short-term solution. But in doing that, it allows you to supplement the power that you're getting from the grid, which may be insufficient. Uh, they have done this, and I and I don't remember the exact numbers, but it's nearly, I want to say, double what the actual like limits are from the EPA.

25:11 And they put out methane, it doesn't like create like a good noise experience, so noise pollution is a problem, and the people in the area just you know kind of have this like odor all the time of smelling all that you know generator exhaust, and and they hear the hum all the time, and and it's really not a good way to do it. Yeah, because you're not taking in the community into that equation to say, hey, not only were we giving jobs back, we're doing so in a way that protects the environment and protects the community, and you know, you you create a lot of ill will doing that to people, especially whenever you're taking the most expensive thing these people own in a low-income area, and say, hey, I'm gonna build this and it's gonna totally depreciate your value even more.

26:00 That's not a good solution for those people. No, it's selfish tactics, and it's just thinking about the business before the community. And yeah, you're completely right. I mean, at that point, you know, that's just top. I mean, that's rock bottom. I mean, literally, I mean, that is literally rock bottom for those Memphis residents. And um, it's coming from the richest man in the world. It's like you you you could do this right if you really wanted to. Like that's that's the frustrating thing for for me as a from an environmentalist. So yeah, no, I totally with you. I think it's bullshit, and I think you know, something needs to be done. Um, I do think it also, you know, everything you mentioned, you know, it it just kind of it speaks that money talks, you know, people buy private land, and sometimes the city, even though it's involved with that city, you know, they don't have an input.

26:57 And you know, these people can throw something up and you're you're thrown off uh right away. I uh something I noticed uh before we get into a next topic that when I was visiting you all when I was doing a little driving by myself, uh I noticed by the Thorntons there's uh new storage place. Is that for uh is that for RVs or what what was that? It's I I forget what it's called, but it's uh this company built out a bunch of like essentially 20-foot-high storage places where you could go and park your car, park your RV, do all this other stuff, and uh or if you really wanted to, and this was a part of it because I remember the advertisement for it whenever it first came out, they could like put water and wire it for like electricity, and it's almost like, are you trying to create like a man cave that's like off your house?

27:51 Like that's what it felt like, in all honesty. I'm like, this seems like they're just trying to like say, Hey, all you people with toys, you can just put those toys here and you know, create a showcase and have you know come people look. If you have like classic muscle cars, you can do that. We can build you stairs for a platform and all this other stuff. It it was wild, but it's in the most random fucking area, too. Like 100% spot. That's a random ass spot. And and if you go about like I want to say like 150 yards-ish, like towards town past that, the whenever whenever it finally happens, I mean, it's going to be well past the time that we're here, but they're finally building an underpass underneath the train tracks that are down here.

28:36 So it's gonna solve, yeah, it's gonna solve all this traffic that we get down here whenever a train comes through. And it was approved back in 2024. Um, they did all the you know kind of land evaluations in 2025, and now I think they're at the point of saying, okay, now's the time whenever we actually start the process of doing everything. But if you all were staying, if you all were staying in the area, would that be beneficial, you think? Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, you know, we we go that way for a few things, we don't do it for everything because Christine's work is the other direction. The and and if we're getting on uh the interstate over here, you know, we don't get caught up in that.

29:23 We just zoom right through because everybody's just sitting there. Yeah. And most people are relatively, I want to say relatively good drivers and keeping a gap whenever you're trying to get onto the on-ramp, but not everybody is that self-aware, and they may or may not go bumper to bumper and just sit there and you're stuck. But yeah, oh, it'd be 100%. That's interesting. I mean, I can I could see that possibly happening, you know, very soon because you know how much that area is grown and developing, um, that that would be different. But um, so to talk about the move and transitioning from Tennessee to Colorado, um, something that you all are doing, even if the move hasn't officially happened or not, you're visiting Red Rock's Amphitheater to uh see a concert.

30:12 I actually talked about this with Christine on episode one, and you're seeing Jimmy World and uh a few other bands. So with that uh scenario, tell the listener why is Red Rock's amphitheater, why does it sound so good? So I have no idea why it would sound so good at this point. Um, because I've only like generally speaking, outdoor venues overall sound like garbage. There's there's you it's going out into the ether, there's nothing there, you just have to excuse me, push a lot of you know, volume to get it to wherever it needs to go. And it's it's depending upon what time of year, it might not be like everybody's and granted, I will say this: I am not a fan of festival shows.

31:02 I never have been as a spectator, and I never was as a musician. I hated it. Um, that being said, with an outdoor venue in Colorado after the sun's gone down, I think that's a different ball of wax. Uh part of the reason that I'm excited for it is one, because Jimmy World Bleed American is an iconic record, in my opinion. Um, I know nobody comes to me for the answers of what like influential records are, but for your listeners, uh, the middle um it is the biggest song off of that record that will give you a good jump point. And go and listen to the whole thing. It's great.

31:43 Um, it's it's one of those records that I consistently go back to and listen to. But the thing that I'm really interested in is because I've never seen I've seen like tapings of Red Rocks. And you you you can only take that so much with a grain of salt because yeah, they're recording it live at the actual instrument. They're feeding everything from the board into another program to actually get it recorded, whatever DAW that may be. Uh, and and you you you wonder, well, what does that sound like? It looks great. That's the thing about it. It looks spectacular. There's all this nature, it's it's really, really a beautiful experience.

32:24 But you know, like I've said several times, I've always been a big, big uh fan of um the Ryman. It's it's my gold standard. It's I I I don't care if it's you know a reconfigured church. I don't care if it's you know, like, oh, I sit in a pew next to somebody and and or I'm standing next to somebody. I don't care. It sounds killer no matter where you stand. But um that being said, I'm interested to see how Red Rocks handles a lot of the audio issues that I mentioned at the top, because all the videos I've seen, it doesn't exist.

33:08 It's an amphitheater in a bowl. Yeah, so it's like, well, that's the natural way you would do it. Does it sound as good as what you know you would expect? So it's I'm cautiously optimistic, but really hopeful that it will actually sound the way that I'm hoping it will sound. Yeah, for sure. I mean, Red Rocks, uh, a lot of different genres have performed there. Uh, they did a rap concert with Key Glock, a Memphis rapper, and so it is cool that they they bring different genres in. So I know that they probably have had so many different sounds go through it, but I think that is a place it's more about the um uh experience and more about the view and a more about just kind of taking it in and and being outside and and having that uh that beauty.

33:57 So what city is that in? Isn't I I want to say, isn't it Denver proper? Question mark? Let me look let me look up where Red Rocks is because I was I know it's on the east side of town, or it's on the west side of town and and it's not far from Morrison, Colorado. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Let's see. So basically, to sum it up for people, Red Rocks Park and Amphitheater is a world-renowned, naturally formed outdoor concert venue near Morrison, Colorado. Famous for its stunning sandstone rock formations like Ship Rock and Creation Rock that create perfect acoustics.

34:41 So I guess the acoustics are incredible. And here you go, owned by the city of Denver, so it is owned by Denver, so yeah, in that area, and hosts major concerts, film screens, other events. So yeah, that'd be cool too, you know, thinking you get to see it musically, but then think about all the movies you could see out there and the the other experiences. So yeah, it it when you all go out there, Red Rocks might be a a go-to you get to go to multiple times. 100%. And you know, whenever I was, you know, kind of doing music, it's like I never went out that far. So it's like it's all new to me. Like I will I will be happy to see what other venues exist because you know, circling back to the the Nashville tourism thing, and then I'll drop it, but they have demolished a lot of the older venues here that were like, you know, staples.

35:35 Uh and and and and that's really frustrating whenever you're you're like, oh, these these smaller bands that I listen to can't find a place to play. And and even then, before I moved here, the the cardinal rule was you don't go play Nashville. The market's hypersaturated, don't waste your time. And you know, maybe go to a Murfreesboro and play college, you know, college shows. That that will get you more money than you would playing in Nashville. Anyway, moving on. Yes. What looking forward to investigating other Denver venues. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And so um going to Denver, uh, you know, of course, you have to move and you have to get a real estate agent and figure out that logistics.

36:20 Uh so working with the real estate agent in Colorado, uh, do they how's the communication? Do they call you weekly? Do they email you reports like daily? Like, like what is it? Or are they, you know, do they understand your timetable? How's that work? Yeah, absolutely. So I will I will say this. The only the only house that I've ever purchased is the one that I'm standing in. And my buddy, Ryan, he I worked with him at Apple. He's a trustworthy dude. Um, I'll send his information for anybody that wants to um kind of work with a trusted realtor. And if you want to post that on on the blog post for you know announcing this, you know, great.

37:03 But um, you know, the the I think at the end of the day, the the people that you work with on stuff are especially for Christine and I, we have to come by it organically. And we we get a mixed bag whenever people refer folks. And whenever we went out in December of last year, uh the Airbnb owner lived right behind the actual house. Turns out he was a realtor. Turns out we really liked Phil. And you know, we had had conversations with some other realtors, some recommended, some not. And we just didn't didn't like the vibe.

37:44 You know, it's it's like some people you just like no, you you lock in and you're like, nah, nah, dude. You're you're this doesn't feel great. But with Phil, it felt fantastic. We're like, okay, this is cool. And also everything beyond this, I'm going to say, is going to be like your mileage may vary. So we said, hey, Phil, we'll work with you. This sounds great. This is what you do on top of your Airbnb. Great. And we provided a set of you know data to say, like, this is the price we're looking for, these are the things that we're looking to have, a part of it. And that can be bathrooms, bedrooms, square footage, uh location, you name it. You know, some of these things are very important.

38:25 You know, you just got to think about like what you want in this whole mix. And he will put that into his stuff on his side of things. And yes, it can send me, you know, uh, hey, here's a list of houses that meet your criteria, which is more than things on Zillow, which is more than things on realtor.com, which that's the advantage of it is that you see more stuff associated with the area. Now, you know, our situation is a little bit fluid that I won't get into, but you know, we're we're going back out here at the back end of this week. We'll be back out there to see, like, oh, hey, Phil, the game has changed.

39:05 And I've already told him this via email. And, you know, obviously, I think it would be amenable if I called him up and just said, hey, Phil, change, change our, you know, whatever it may be, how many bedrooms, how many bathrooms, where it's at, all that kind of stuff. I'm sure that he would be more than happy to change. So it's it's really just a you have to find the person that you you feel good about, trust your gut, and and deal with it in that way. Because, you know, any kind of like looking for housing, regardless if it's if you're buying, if you're renting, it you have to feel comfortable with the decision that you're making and looking at it very pragmatically through the lens of I need to just remove that whole, I need to get there, I need to.

39:52 I it's like, no, take a step back, remove that emotion from it, and really look through it. But yeah, it's it's one of those things where we felt great about Phil. We're going with Phil, he's doing everything right. Sends us little notes every once in a while. He sent us one uh a couple weeks ago saying, Hey guys, I see that you're you know you're getting close to your time here. You know, do we need to change anything? And blah, blah, blah, blah. And you know, that type of attention is important. And um, you know, it shows fills up on his game. It's a hundred percent. That is that's that's the biggest thing you want with the realtor organization. You want someone that's like not a not a spaz and can actually tell you, like, you got this, this, and this, you know, hey, you know, I'll meet you here, here, and here.

40:39 Yeah. So when they check all the boxes, it also makes that move such an easier process, too, I bet. A hundred percent. And it's a two-way street. Uh, you know, one of the things that I will just shamelessly plug while I'm here is that you know, my mother passed, and I'm the only child, I'm the only one that's going to be able to deal with everything. So I had to deal with selling her house. And on the other side of this is somebody who just gets it done. You're just like, hey, listen, I am two states away. Can you just get this knocked out? And they know people who can fix things, they know people who can come in and you know, like, oh, we just need to paint and patch and stuff like that.

41:21 They do all of that and help you out. Like those types of folks are the ones that are just next level rock stars. They they do the job. And and it's a little bit easier on the buy side, right? Because they don't have to do, they just go back and forth and try and like get you more, more, you know, better deal and things of that nature. But um, yeah, it's it's one of those things where both of those parties have to feel right. Yeah, you have to feel good about who you're working with. How quick is your mom sell? How quick would you say timetable? Because I know because that we're talking two different areas of town compared to where you're at now and there. Oh, yeah, 100%.

42:02 My my mother's home was in um rural southern Illinois, middle of nowhere. You can Eric's been there, he can he can testify that there's not a lot there. Um I I kind of put it through the context of hey, it's 25 minutes to get to Walmart. That gives you an idea of where it's at. So it went on the market in September, and then Holt, like it went back and forth. We had some offers, and you know, you just kind of expect that, and and and I was like, okay, fine. Uh, but it finally sold in like March or April of the following year. Okay. Uh so do you see Hendersonville moving quick, like just not the before we move on to another set.

42:44 Like, where do you see that one moving like fast once you all are ready to list quick? I don't think it's gonna be as quick because the thing about where we live specifically is that you know, probably four five to six years ago, a house would go onto the market and it would be like by the time it hit, yeah, there would already be like people saying, Hey, I want a contract. Let me sign up, let me let me bid on this. And there were bidding wars for it. So houses would just evaporate in one to two weeks. And so here now we have I want to say four.

43:27 We have four houses in our 96th community neighborhood that are on the market and have been sitting, and they're doing open houses, trying to move the needle, all that type of stuff. I don't know where Hendersonville is going to move from a market standpoint because our borders are so tightly locked. Hendersonville does not have any wiggle room to expand to like consume White House or Portland or Goodlitzville. All of that is so securely just caught together that it you know like our real estate market here specifically is just an interesting animal and I always just use our little microcosm here as well as whenever I go out and cycle what's what's for sale and and I think like the last time that that I did a big you know tour around I I was seeing a lot more for sale overall than I had like you know the week before so it's it's like that's an isolated incident but also at the same time you you just have to take it with a grain of salt and understand like oh that is somebody's specific use case they they want that and and and I will say the same thing for this house specifically it's a townhome you don't have to do the the yard work you know you don't have to do anything outside which is great but also at the same time you're you're constrained you you are very much in you know 16 uh hundred eight seventeen hundred square feet so if you have a family that you're growing might not be the best fit but if you're like us no kids that's not going to be a thing we have you down occasionally I have my own office it's it's a great fit it works yeah yeah um it's it's a perfect home i mean it's it's it's a lot of fun it's it's great but the the thing about it you're completely right but I think a good thing though is nowadays a lot of people aren't having kids I mean there is definitely people having a bunch of kids that you know I'll say it's it's opposite there's an extreme and there's a there's a non-extreme where there's people having five kids because when I worked at the zoo you see 50 kids but when um you know there is a lot of people that that aren't so I think uh the house is a perfect spot and your old place it checks all the boxes I mean you have two great bathrooms three rooms upstairs laundry you know overall it's just it's it's a good fit and your home's comfortable too you know it's it's very I you don't hear tons of noises next door it's very peaceful so that's another reason why when I come down you know you all both know you and Christine like I love spending time outside if it if the weather's warm and just take it in because even though I have a patio here and I could sit out of my patio and stand out there and I do sometimes it it's more of like I'm staring at an exit I'm staring at the woods like a little bit but it's it's so loud where yours it's pretty peaceful.

46:39 So like when you do hear noises at y'all's place like a a random low flying airplane or someone revving it up down the street it's like it's kind of shocking. It's short-lived and and that's the other side of it is that like the the walls between the units that we have are actually reinforced over spec so it's like they were laying floors in our neighbor's house a number of years ago and I didn't even hear it. I was like they're and they're banging the like slats together after tearing out the carpet and all that stuff and and like I walk outside and I can she you know had the window open because it was springtime and I was like oh you're getting new floors like I didn't have I had no idea that that was going on.

47:28 That's the that's the way you wanted for sure. And then too it's like where you're at you know and you were all are similar to where I'm at it's like you got town next to you you got everywhere to eat and do things and get your stuff and then you got a freeway to hop right on that's the other way and and I'm the same same way. It's like I got the freeway right there and I got my stuff I can do. So um I didn't really you know plan it how it was going to play out you know but it worked out and I'm I'm very happy to from the point of like if if I ever did move to Colorado with you all or wherever it's like yeah I'd I'd move and I'd give it up but right now while I'm here I'm not gonna change because it's just it checks the boxes for me.

48:11 And I think a lot of times like talking about you moving and stuff it like you said working with the real estate agent you wanted to check the boxes you want it to you want everything to hit hit there there and there. So um I'm excited for y'all to move I'm excited for y'all to have a new experience and I'm excited to come out there and visit y'all for sure you know and uh I've discussed my family I think I mentioned you know on the Christine episode it'd be fun to go out there and live sometime you know so uh we'll we'll see what the future holds. Um something I want to talk about uh also is that we a topic that you and I got into a random discussion about in Nashville or Hendersonville but um uh planetariums um so I want to make an announcement for my local Louisville listeners who you know Louisville is my number one listening spot uh for people and I'll say uh the the planetarium at the University of Louisville is shut down so there is no longer a planetarium in Louisville I think they were trying to put the funds in it and get it to come back but it just fizzled and uh we were talking about how um the equipment and the technology uh you know there's a planetarium in Nashville at the Adventure Science Center that's how we got onto the topic but uh there's not many not many around and it it seems like talking about industries that that's something on the decline even though it's pretty cool.

49:38 It's it's super cool and it's really a value add for those that want some sort of you know kind of next level entertainment because it's not just oh you show the stars in the sky and all that stuff you can do laser shows you can map it to music and do all this other cool stuff but the the reality of it is uh specifically here in Nashville if I'm not mistaken uh that there are only two of those types of units specifically that exist within the United States or the world overall as it's like they're very made for and purpose built to suit a specific type of setup. Yeah and the parts and the people that manufacture them may not be around anymore.

50:23 So it's it's one of those things where that type of uh kind of engagement for a business if they do that type of thing you you would wonder like oh do they do something else on top of this to try and you know make sure that they're fault tolerant but the fact that it's very much uh it's it's kind of like uh the Neave consoles made by like the the actual man himself like are not going to be uh widespread it's very hand built hand wired for the and and I do mean you know kind of like the the the Neave um kind of equipment for audio related in case anybody on your you know podcast is wondering who's Neeve and it's like well you can look it up um in I E V E if I'm resp I get eyes and knees mixed up all the time.

51:16 It might be the other way but just look it up. But it's very very well known very high quality but also at the same time once once everything's said and done it's like the likelihood that that will continue is very minimal. So you know you think about the same thing in the planetarium space and also at the same time like well how long can this actually talk with technology you built something just hypothetically speaking you built it in 1995 and that's not whenever this one was built but just hypothetically something was built in 1995 how much computer stuff can I get to keep talking to this yeah you know we're we're 30 years out from that I'm not gonna be able to find computer equipment to be able to talk to something like that.

52:04 Well then I don't the music too being outdated. I mean yeah I told you I think I mentioned to you down Nashville the last one I saw was that Jackson 5's playing you know ABC 123 and I know they were trying to spin it with like a Jackson 5 theme but you know eventually the music gets out of date as well. Yeah oh a hundred percent and you have to constantly develop for it if you want it to be relevant. Oh you want a laser light show to the new Jurassic Park movie whatever new whatever that is I don't keep up with Jasper I've just seen commercials for it and I'm like why are they using AI to generate like Jeff Goldblum looking that young this doesn't feel right. But um that was a weird Superboat commercial that was a weird Super Bowl commercial I don't know if it's AI that generated that or not but it was just weird.

52:50 I didn't like it. That or a lot a lot of fucking makeup for sure yeah makeup are they just you know CGI'd it which I would I would take that into consideration over just AI trying to do it because that's human driven. But yeah it's it's you know just the the hours the human hours to actually do that type of stuff to make sure that it's programmed correctly to make sure that you have somebody on staff that knows that hardware like there there are just a ton of unknowns there and it's very niche. Like the Adventure Science Center in uh Nashville which is the one that you were talking about and and they're a smaller science center. It's not like St.

53:31 Louis Science Center which is fantastic at least you know throughout my childhood I thought that they really had invested in it uh quite well but I haven't been there in you know 22 plus years so I can't really speak to like how what it's like today but it was always just really well done and I kind of same same look at the the St. Louis Zoo you've you know said and confirmed that it's it's a great zoo. Yes it is a great zoo. Yeah. But it's a case where no you're right. I I think it's interesting the Adventure Science Center you know the way I looked into it over the weekend and you know you have to buy an admission into the the museum or the science center to actually see the planetarium which that's cool.

54:13 That gets attention and eyes on the center you know they want to get two birds with one stone deal so of course and I understand it and it's not super expensive or anything and it's similar to IMAX and OmniMax like the OmniMax is something I love to do in Cincinnati Ohio every time I'm in Cincinnati I go the OmniMax it's a giant dome IMAX and Indy had it a few other cities have had them and it makes the IMAX experience so much different but they have it and they show their shows daily and you can just buy a ticket without going to the museum there. But even with the Kentucky Science Center which is Louisville's they have a theater but they lost their IMAX camera uh because of I guess contracts and the cost but overall like you said it's a niche kind of industry and it's a niche thing if with repairs and different things.

55:07 I remember when the OmniMax has gone down since it takes a while before that thing come back up but you see the equipment through the screen you can see it as you're walking in it's incredible and it's cool and like I said at the end of the day I'm for it all but like you said it you wonder how much longer to be around but the other caveat with or caveat or whatever caveat what is that word you say the caveat caveat with that is there's more future technology so that's coming that could be cooler you know especially like you said they're they're trying to make anything that'll you know catch your eyes get you hooked you know like the spear I've heard a lot of good reviews we were talking about that with but it you know it uses so much so much electricity and stuff like that but yeah uh planetariums and IMAXs and OmniMaxes you know they might be uh a little bit of the dying breed over the next 20 years but what I gotta say for the listeners support your local planetarium and IMAX and Omnimax that's what I got to say so that technology can be around you never know how far your uh ticket buy could go but um Jim thank you so much for being on the show I feel like we hit a lot of the topics that we wanted to discuss I feel like uh we had such an exciting week and we just didn't have time to podcast and with the storm going on so this worked out great um wanted to get this in before your Colorado trip and uh you know as the season progressed you know we both have so much chaos in life right now so we're just trying to day by day dude so um but listen I really appreciate but before I sign off uh you want to give a little spiel to the listeners or Nina?

56:54 You know no no I was I think that I I would round this out by saying thank you so much for having me. I'm always happy to be here and discuss anything that like is kind of not just top of mind for like what's going on and and whatever you know thing that I can bring to the table. But you know just hopefully you know this is entertaining for your listeners and they they enjoy it. Hopefully I'm not too terribly boring. I'm not the most entertaining person ever. I'm pretty pretty bland and dry whenever it comes to stuff like this but um you know it is what it is but yeah thank you so much for having me and I really appreciate it always always happy to come back. Oh thank you thank you so much yeah you'll definitely be a regular guest and you've been on before and you know you'll be on again and no you're never boring dude you always lay out the facts that's why I'm constantly even off off camera or off record is like always asking you questions and trying to learn because you know you stay you stay up to date on the stuff that's important.

57:48 But um Bibin'withsleazy.com is the website Bible Sleazy the podcast Facebook Instagram uh thank you all for listening and supporting uh this episode was recorded on uh Monday the 16th of March but it'll be coming out here a few days might be on Saturday the the following weekend after I'm doing a two sport release uh for tomorrow with March Madison baseball but um overall again thank you Jim and uh thank you for the listeners we are out peace