Sleezy Vibes With Doug Kay

0:02 Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome to Vibinless Lizzy the podcast. This is season seven, episode eight. I want to thank everybody for listening. It's been a great season so far. I've had some great special guests, and we are rocking and rolling through this season. The weather is beautiful. It's in the 70s now, almost got to the 80s, so fuck the code. I think it's finally moved out of the pitcher, and it's March Madness time. College basketball is rolling. And so Louisville just got knocked out today by Michigan State. Kentucky's got a big game tomorrow, so I'm looking forward to uh watching that. But overall, uh March Madness is rolling on, and Michigan got the win today, so they keep moving forward.

0:45 But um my special guest for this episode is Doug K. He's been on the show before. Welcome, Doug. What's up? What's up? How you been doing? I've been good, man. I've been good. Good, good. So I'm glad to have you on the show. Uh, like I said, you've been on the show before. Um, something that you and I have really been talking about a lot, uh, that we've also felt like we've connected over the years about is collecting of all sorts, but yeah, but mainly sports cards here as of late. And uh I have a sports card collection, so do you. And we uh have kind of studied the game, and once you kind of talk about cards and get around cards, it gets into your phone and algorithm, and then you start watching sports card content, and then you're in stores and you notice things.

1:34 So we got a lot to talk about on that. I feel like that's what a lot of this episode will be about, but we'll uh we'll talk about different things. And currently, right now, we're watching March Madness. This episode will probably come out a week after this had happened, but Duke right now is up 29-23 against TCU. So uh basketball is rolling. But um, Doug, so um you collect mainly baseball, correct? Uh if we're talking about cards, then yeah, just uh baseball and like a little bit of Pokemon and some basketball, uh and that's about it, really. Yeah, so I feel like uh it's always good to have a variety.

2:16 Um I try to always bank on what's relevant. I've done it since I was younger, where you know, like we were talking off air, Caitlin Clark and Paul Skeens and LA de la Cruz, like, and you've also done that with Michael Jordan and Shohei, like we all try to uh bank on what's hot because we know if we secure it, there could be value and it could be a quick flip, it could be something you you sit on for a long time. Um something I didn't mention while we were discussing collectibles, uh I actually uh went into because you know retail, it's always hit or miss. It can be absolutely destroyed, or it can be organized as fuck.

2:59 So I go into Myers by me on Hurstborne, and I notice that the cards are ransacked, there's no cards, but there's random, there's a random little tiny figurines of players. Yeah, and I just said, I'm looking at it and I've noticed that the tag said five dollars. So I pick up the Shohei Otani Dodgers one and I'm like, I'm gonna buy it for five bucks. I think I can flip it. Couldn't even find any online. I take it up front, it rings for 20. I look at the guy, I go, I don't want this, I'm not paying 20, it was five dollars. It's some young kid, he goes, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, five dollars. Okay, so I take it home.

3:39 I was like, shout out to that kid, uh Myers Hirschborn. But, anyways, uh I go home and I list on eBay. I end up flipping it for 20 bucks. And what's hilarious about it is it's like I could have like as a as a sports car collector, as an enthusiast, I could have given up. I could have said, oh fuck it, there's no cars, moving on, storage rank. But I I'm telling you, I dug and I found that little gym. Um, but when you're looking for cards when you go out, um what do you like to look for? What what are your brands that you like to look for? Or what what is it something that just what you're feeling that day?

4:20 Or are you trying to buy more blasters or are you trying to buy more inserts? Uh I mean it's tough because I do love opening packs. I love ripping packs, I think we all do. I think everyone who's into buying cards it just loves opening up, uh, you know, ripping that foil and pulling the cards out and flipping through them, and you know. But it's tough because at the heart of it, I know that buying blasters and hobby boxes and stuff like that is essentially just gambling.

5:01 Um but I do I love it. So I try to buy more singles these days because I'm trying not to, you know, have just a shitload of bulk, you know, kind of around. Um and I guess like in terms of like brands and stuff, I mean tops is obviously the go. But um I mean I like a lot of when I I like a old I think the thing about sports cards that I do a little bit differently than a lot of people is like I'm more into like older stuff. Yeah. You know, and stuff from like the 90s, that like hardcore junk wax era.

5:46 Um you want to find you kind of want to find the the the the rare ones that came out during that era too. Yeah, and like um and a lot of people aren't looking for that, so like I I'm more into like Don Russ and Score and stuff like that, you know what I'm saying? Because like oh I or even like Leaf. But um now how do you okay good good pickup right there, Leaf. What do you feel about Leaf? Because let me tell you, from my experience when I was a kid, growing up in that 90s when there was tons of cards and a lot of production, Leaf was relevant around those brands because they released it, but they were similar to a Pacific that didn't always have branding rights, or they would also put out something that was kind of out of the ordinary.

6:37 Do you feel like Leaf even secures that value? Would you invest in Leaf now? No, not at all, not at all. I uh I I see videos of people opening these some of these high-end leaf boxes that are guaranteed autos and all this stuff, and it's usually autos of retired players nobody cares about. Yeah. Or it's or like it's or it's like a like a 10-patch auto booklet, again, of 10 players that we're middling at best. You know what I'm saying? I agree. Like you might know them, but you're just like, God damn it.

7:19 Like, I don't like who wants this? Who's this for? I can't even flip this. Exactly. And see, I haven't bought anything leaf ever, but I was actually went go back to that Myers on Hurstborn. Um, I went to Myers on Hurstborn. Oh, right now we're watching the Duke TCU game. Little little uh he's bleeding, he's pouring blood. Uh this TCU guy, uh the star player there for him, um uh man, he got Punch. His name is Punch. He got let's see what happens here. Knocked in the nose. Yeah, he got knocked in the nose. I don't think he realized he was bleeding there yet. But, anyways, so I'll go on through Myers, and there was a clearance.

8:01 They have this sticker that the sports card vendor partners with Myers, and they stuck slap on there, get at a low price of five bucks at 9.99. It's like that shit. Yeah, it's like a terrible stuff. Here's a blaster box for$15, and it's literally a bunch of shit. And it's players that have faded or don't have that value anymore. So at that time, I got a I got a leaf box, and this was still where Kenny Pickett still could have played, and I pulled a rookie, and actually when I was going through doing cards here yesterday, um, I I'm flipping that Kenny Pickett, but it's funny, it's like that's probably the only leaf card I have, and it was a beautiful card, but the more I look at it, I just really don't like Leaf as a product, and I just don't think it has a value.

8:48 And here's what I notice too. I like to watch just for fun. I'll watch on when I used to have TikTok, don't have it anymore. But when on eBay and on even these what apps, when you watch these people, uh they do these auctions where they'll put the cards up and people will bid on it. Well, on what what what night on what night? And eBay's doing live video selling now too, and they'll stick the cards up. But here's the thing some of these sports card collectors, they're only selling that leaf product, and it's cheap. And these people are still bidding$20 plus dollars,$30 plus dollars. It's like a crazy bulk up if you like want autos and stuff, I guess. Or I mean, I think that's really the only route you could really look at it as because it's like who's buying base leaf.

9:34 Nobody, I don't think anybody is, and if you are, if you are, you're really just building for your PC. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all you're doing. Yeah, because here's the deal personal collection is always important. Everyone's gonna keep the cards that they want to keep, me, you, everybody. But but sometimes you gotta realize not everything, even when you have mass cards on PC, it's not gonna be uh making a lot of value. Yeah, um, I still love Upper Deck. I know it's the the brand of the old age, but I loved Upper Deck, old stuff. Growing up, that was huge for me. And Jordan, we were talking about this off air. Jordan, Tiger Woods cards still for Upper Deck are going for tons of value.

10:18 And what's crazy too is like that brand, they really did secure the big stars. I think even uh they had a big push with Derek Jeter. So I always loved Upper Deck. I loved some of the special things they did. And what what's something the lunch boxes were dope? We were talking about that, the Jordan Retro. Well, I mean, some of the most valuable like rookie cards are Upper Deck. I mean, yeah, Ken Griffey. Ken Griffey's an Upper Deck. Upper Deck's there. That 89 card, the the iconic one, you know what I mean? And the the Jordan is uh like there's pretty iconic Jordan cards. I'm pretty sure that the like you said, the Jeter. Yeah. What is it, 95?

11:00 Uh yeah, I believe so. That 95 card? Yeah, yeah. He and he was, and the thing about with Derek Jeter is like he has such a value in that New York market. Um, we are actually recording this episode very close to through the decade sports cards, and I'm not plugging them. We're just we're just here in the little Kentucky market. We we used to have a lot of sports cards uh stores around here. There was one on Beulah Church Road. There was Superb Collectibles. That was my childhood store in Fern Creek. It's now a motorcycle shop, but it was a blue building, and then you had a little sports car NASCAR shop in J Town, in the heart of J Town, kind of in Gaslight Square.

11:43 East End Sports Cards was in Champions Baseball Complex, and then you had Louisville Sports Cards, but then this guy, Alex, uh, he built through the decades. Now you have Gordon, who had a sports car shop in Butchels. So at one time, Louisville really had a huge sports car market. Now it's kind of down to two main players, uh, Louisville versus E versus through the decades. There is a new shop that I just uh came across the other day that uh called the Olden County Sports Sports Parts. That's cool that they did that. Like I'm that's good for that area. No, I haven't. Also, I don't, it's not a plug. I've never been in there. I've just I've driven past it. But it's on uh 22.

12:25 Okay. Yeah. Yeah, like right there in like Presswood. That would be a cool place to check out because um I always, to be honest with you, I always want to support the local card shops. And I'm a collector, so I'd love to stop. Yeah, I'd love to check that out. Um, I feel like with sports card shops, they're great for any community. Any place I go visit uh when I'm visiting friends, family, or on vacation or just work, I always try to pop in the sports card shop or if I'm killing time, going through a store, I pop in the sports card section. Um do you feel awkward going into a sports card store and leaving without buying anything? Sometimes, but it's only if I feel more awkward if I never make conversation with the guys in there and I walk out.

13:13 Because the way I feel, those sports card shops, especially in towns where it's the only card shop like Hendersonville, Tennessee, they have their home bodies that are in the middle of their sports card shop. Uh it's called Pops, and they're sitting there and they're just they're popping through cards and looking, opening boxes. I love it. It's a great culture. They got collectibles everywhere. But you go up to buy a pack, you can talk to people, but I feel like if you just kind of look through and then walk out, I mean, it's you have the right as a as a person. But but at the end of the day, I think for the store owner, it kind of does look awkward and also kind of looks suspicious because they're so paranoid because they have so much value in these stores.

13:56 Yeah, yeah. Uh, I mean, all this stuff is of value sealed up. You sit on it, you sell it now. I mean, I I don't care what what anybody says, the collector market right now is through the roof. So I do feel the awkwardness, but if I make that connection, I talk and I kind of share what my whole point of being in the area and being in the store is. I feel at that point I got the freedom to go in or out. And to be honest, if I do talk to them, I'm more reckoned to buy something. I feel I guess I ask because I feel weird not buying something. Yeah, it does feel strange because I've never like left without buying at least like a$5 card or a pack of cards or something like that.

14:44 And here's the deal though. Why why not? I mean, that's the point of going in into the adrenaline rush. I'm the same way, dude. I I sat there the other day and I literally, this is what I did. I had a subway gift card. Okay, I'm bored. I was sitting at home, I was off that day, I drive down the road, Taylorsville Road, and I hit the subway, get my dinner, eat in the car real quick. I'm hungry. Then what do I do? Okay, I pop in uh Target and I go and I like literally buy a pack of uh uh of the FIFA World Cup guy, buy a sports car binder, yeah, hit those shops, then I go to Walgreens, buy sports cars there, then I go to Kroger and just to see what their collector thing looks like.

15:30 They had some wrestling figurines, some other stuff. So it's fun to go and do that stuff, and even though, yeah, I don't want to spend the money sometimes, it's like I feel like what I can do. I feel like I can make yeah, I feel like I can make the value from it. It's really just the like the card shops, just local, small card shops, especially somewhere like LCS where like flipping through them. Like, do you feel anything? Like flipping through them. It's more just like the this is a very small bit place, it's a small business, it's local. I'm here a lot. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And like, and I mean, I don't know.

16:10 It just uh I just it's I guess it's also like the like the punk ethics in me where I'm like I need to like support just like the small business, you know what I mean? Well, you never know how far that$5 card you bought goes, you know? Yeah, because to be honest with you, a lot of the sports cards I really notice, no matter where you're at, um at a store or a market or wherever it's like or a show, it it's like the confidence build. It's like, oh man, I haven't sold shit all day. Oh, you know what, that guy bought that five dollar uh, you know, Josh Giddey card or something. So it's like you just think about what you can actually move or or flip, and then it kind of builds that confidence.

16:55 And sometimes, you know, we've talked about how uh uh it's nice to like not only support, but too, it's like I feel like nowadays the way you can really support a sports card shop without even stepping foot in it or buying a card from it is using their uh social media. Yeah, and that's how I've learned about a lot of these stores, like Grand Slam Collectibles in Murphy'sboro, Tennessee. I did not realize how he upgraded the store with these showhead sales. Um, there's also a guy named Brian who I don't have his last name, but he's actually making a special kind of like frame case for your sports card that almost looks like it's a graded card already.

17:40 And he travels around the United States trying to push these cases on uh selling these cards, like where, and then what he does is what I love is that he looks around the counters and he buys packs for everybody and goes, Who wants to open a pack? And you know, and he's looking for old wax and different things like that. So he's a cool collector, but but it is neat seeing all the card shops as he travels and what people do. I love this. There's one sports card shop, I don't know exactly where it's at, but I saw it. They got this spinning um glass display that you would almost see in like a pawn shop. Oh, I've seen this. Yes, and you've seen this and you and you pull like a number of a number and you and you match it to the card that's in there, and it's graded tens, and you could get a LeBron James, you could also get just a random car, but most of them have value, and what you're doing, I think I believe it, if you spend a certain amount, you might even get like three pools out of that bag.

18:42 So and they just refill it in parts. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I've I would love to know where that place is. That place that looks like such an incredible feature, and that's what I love. If you can go into a card shop and get like a wheel spin or something like that, what was really cool, my favorite, one of my favorite card shops, Superb Collectibles, I love growing up because they had everything, and that was my shop I really, really grew up on. But Easton Collectibles inside the Champions Baseball Academy. This guy, I don't know his name, but he ended up opening that store in about three to four different locations. I think he left the game, came back to the game, left the game, came back.

19:23 And I remember when we were at baseball camp, you know, all the kids would leave baseball camp and we hit East End sports cards there that was in the corner, and you buy cards and he'd have Buffalo Wild Wings. And I remember you go in there and you buy Buffalo Wild Wings, and you'd buy a couple packs and a couple inserts, and it was so affordable back then, too. Sports cards were really a good affordable price for family and for people because things were sold where people were grocery shopping and and things, but also too, when you hit these sports card shops, they were selling a lot of stuff and mainly retail because the way they were doing it, just like when you have a Budweiser rep and they sell you beer to sell to the the the masses, you same thing, upper deck guy would come in.

20:17 Hey, what do you want to get? Hey, we got this. Then the Panini guy come in, the tops. And you don't even think about that as a kid when the collector's game, and now that it's all online, yeah, and they're talking about brands and everything that's going on, that's all you think about now. Yeah, so I I didn't uh I didn't grow up with sports cards. Uh my I had uh I guess my intro to sports cards was at baseball camp. Oh, okay. And you were talking about them being affordable, and it made me like remember that like they were affordable to the point where when I was away at baseball camp, like basically now I will I will I admit that like I look back on it and going to baseball camp at Williamsport where the Little League World Series is.

21:06 Basically, me and every other child there comes from like a privileged family to some degree, you know what I'm saying? So you didn't even think about it at that time. Yeah, I didn't even think about it at that time, you know what I'm saying? I'm spending a week there every summer, and which is a beautiful place for baseball. Yeah, it was crazy playing there as a as a kid, you know what I'm saying? That's a blessing, bro. But sports cards being affordable was like to the point where like me and basically every other kid at this camp would go to the canteen every night and just buy six, seven, eight packs of baseball cards apiece. And like the camp itself is like buying cases of hobby boxes because kids are going through them all summer long.

21:50 And like we're just all like passing around, like trading cards, and people are pulling autos and bat cards and jersey cards, and you know, this is like 2000. Two? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? 2003. So like nothing's worth anything, you know what I'm saying? Because it's also insanely affordable. Yes. But yeah, it's uh but it was the rush. Yeah. It was the fun. And to be honest with you, yeah. To be honest with you, like those some of that stuff minded me of would be a like uh worth anything, but at the end of the day, when you sell them the masses, it is. Oh, for sure. And and people nowadays just want stuff that's older.

22:33 So but that was a good time, and I think those places knew what they were doing, and it brought the kids together, brought people together trading and dealing. And same thing with Pokemon, man. I mean, when Pokemon came out in '99, I mean, for not it didn't come out in '99, but that year. Yeah. It was like everyone was trading and dealing with I was big into Pokemon and I was. I guess like that was like my sport, my childhood sports cards was like Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! Yeah. Like, I didn't really know that baseball cards I knew that they were a thing, you know what I mean?

23:14 But they weren't really like on my radar as a kid until I was around it at at baseball camp. But before that, there was Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! was heavy in rotation. Oh my parents My parents uh supported it and hated it all at the same time. I remember being like nine years old, and my grandfather passed, and he left me, you know, like$100 to like do whatever I wanted with. Yeah. And I told my mom and dad, I was like, I want to buy this tr this this hollow Charizard card. And this Charizard card was at the like comic shop that sold Pokemon cards, and it was$100 exactly.

23:58 I was like, I have a hundred dollar bill. I'm gonna buy this Charizard. My mom was like, the hell you are. And my dad was like, let him buy it. It's it's literally not going to matter. And I ended up buying it. That Charizard has long gone. It's probably worth you know a bit now. I don't think it was a first edition or anything like it. It wouldn't be worth like any life-changing amount of money. But definitely is worth more than that hundred dollars I paid for it. A hundred percent. And what what's crazy about that that you say that is that with Pokemon, I remember my cul-de-sac was his kid Brick, this kid Sean, and this Korean kid named uh Sao.

24:40 And he basically sat, he had a green roof. He was the only house in the neighborhood of the green roof. And I remember he had Pokemon stuff, and I remember I traded him some kind of card, and he gave me like a Mewtwo figurine and some other cards, and then this other kid tried to you know wheel in a Charizard, and then I went all in with my Mewtwo figurine. It just got to a point where we were all just going back and forth, and and then it got to a point where like we all sat there and were like, okay, we're all satisfied, we all go inside. And then like the next day, more fucking deals are being made and maneuvered, and then it's like it's school too. It got to the point where school had to realize that like this is a lot bigger than what they for what they got, and you know, around that time, you know, you gotta think Beanie Babies, Pokemon, that shit got into the schools.

25:33 People were trading, dealing stuff, people were getting shit stolen. I mean, it just got to a point where it got it you you had to be involved with it because it's like it's what everyone talked about, but it's like how far are you involved with it? Did you ever did you ever get fleeced by an older kid? I only because I did. I I only did in regards of with some like figurine stuff. Yeah. And it was a kid on my bus, but I will say this, I don't think I've ever been like fleeced by an older kid on like selling something, but what I did get fleeced on, this kid had the Marshall Mathers OP, and I wanted to listen to it so bad because I was an MM fan, but I was like, I was like a seventh grader, he's an eighth grader.

26:20 Not well, not seventh grader, I'm sorry. He's a for I'm a fourth grader, he's a fifth grader, and he had the in a CD player, and I really wanted to listen to it. So I remember a couple times he'd be like, if you do my math homework, I'll let you listen to the whole album. And I'd be listening to the album, I'd do his math homework, and I remember like that kind of shit, but it was just because like that was like probably the only time, and then maybe that was even I think that was third grade, and then whenever the martial art piece dropped, and I just remember him being older, and it was like not like any I never got bullied or nothing, but it was just like, hey, you you do this, you get to listen to the album, and I remember man, I knew every word at that point.

27:00 So I got fleeced on a c on a card, yeah, by a kid that was a lot older than me. Oh, it was probably in middle school, and he was like probably in high school, maybe like 19, 18, 19. Uh I was at the Books Million playing Yu-Gi-Oh! That's my my dad would take me to the Books Million and the mall, and I'd go play Yu-Gi-Oh! in the middle. I love Books Million. Yeah, back there by the uh the magazine racks and everything. People, people, kids, and I guess uh 18, 19-year-olds would be in there sitting on the floor playing Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! and stuff. And uh, I remember I pulled this uh this it was a palmerization card and Yu-Gi-Oh! which was like a card that like you could take two other like monsters and bind them together, essentially, right?

27:48 Okay. And you needed this card to be able to do that. Now, the English version of this card was like insanely rare. At least like I remember everyone in my middle school being like, oh my god, I we would need a polarization card. And I ended up pulling one, and I was like, oh my god, this is fucking crazy. Like I'm sitting in the front seat of my dad's car, losing it, being like, This is this is this is gonna change my life. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And then immediately we go to like not immediately, but like that weekend go to play Yu-Gi-Oh! at the Books of Million, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm like, look at this polymerization card I got. And some older kids are just like, oh, fuck like he I he eyed it like so hard, he was like, Oh, that's mine.

28:34 Yeah, you know, you know, he's like, that's mine. And he was like, You want to make a trade? What about this card? This is this the art sick, right? It's cooler than that. Yeah, and I'm just like, you know what, you're right. Oh no, no, like, damn it! And like hindsight being like 2020, like immediately I was like, Wait, the card that he traded me for, I need that card to use. Yeah, like this is a card that you have to have three cards to use, and now I don't have any of those. Oh shit. I was like, this is fucked, dude.

29:15 That's what people do, man. I I know a buddy of mine, he's really involved with Pokemon with his son, and I think he does a good job. Like, his son has really built a strong collection, but I keep telling him, like, there's some things I think he just needs to flip and move because I think he doesn't realize sometimes what he has, and I don't want him to like lowball. But yeah, dude, I remember I found um to this day it's kind of crazy. I do wish I have no regrets because I've sold a lot of Pokemon and sports cards over the years, but the one card that I did find, I found a Articuno holographic in a binder, and I took it to a Fairdale, Kentucky sports card or trading card shop.

30:01 It's like a Pokemon Magic comic book, like Dungeons and Dragons store, and they met me, their appointment only, and I met with a guy and a girl, and they looked at that Articuno, and I'm talking, they looked at it for a good 10 minutes, and then I was trying to figure out if it was real or not. And when I walked around the store and I was like, What the fuck is going on? And then I go back and they offered me like$85. And here's the deal at that time I took it, I thought, this is a fair deal. I just found this Articuno, but I look back and it's like, you know, I don't know if that value would have gone up. I don't know what the flipping rate, but I do feel like if I had more of them, I probably wouldn't have gone that route.

30:47 But with that individual flip, yeah, sometimes it's not bad just taking the money on those. Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, Pokemon is tough because especially the early ones, because when we were kids, nobody cared about any of it. You know, well, not not that nobody cared about any of it, but like we were just like running around with them loose. You know what I'm saying? No one was putting them in toppled or top loaders or anything like that, or card sleeves. Like nobody was like keeping them nice. You basically just had like a big brick of Pokemon cards that you would like go to school with, throw in your backpack, and trade it around. You know, it gets like or in a binder or whatever, and it's just like it's got scratches all over it and stuff like that.

31:32 So you know, you the the value is like so it's tough, you know what I mean? It is tough. And to be honest, those first generation cards, they're it's like it's what I want. But dude, you look right now and you could see like, for example, like a fucking Pidgey for, you know, it's graded like even it's graded 10, it's a first generation, it's still like 50 bucks, you know. Yeah, like the shit keeps going. But I mean, at that rate, you you probably spent fit you spent close to$50 to get it graded. Get it graded anyway, you know. And then but then your holographic, it's just it's just crazy those first generation cards. I don't think we realize how much the value would be now.

32:14 Like it's it is tremendous on the. If like if if I could like go back in time and be like, look, kid, yeah, don't be a fucking idiot. Put it in a top loader, and just I don't know, put it in a binder, put it in a box, put it away somewhere. Just or even don't open it. Don't open it. I agree. Those like first gen, Pokemon, the the booster boxes with like the 36 packs that had magic on it or whatever, whatever that brand was, or the oh the island islands of the whatever, you know how much those costs now. Like 100,000, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like life-changing money, and so what what I think it is is don't open it.

32:57 It's not worth the like the the most expensive card inside of it, like ungraded, is like 300 bucks. I think that's the Charizard. And see, that's what I'm saying. It's like, yes, we all wish that we could have kept them sealed and stuff, but now, like you and I were talking off air, it is kind of the way to go now that yes, it's fun to rip open. Yes, it's the way to do it. But if you're really gonna collect now and you're not buying uh uh a solo card, or you just if you just want to rip packs, you just want to rip packs. But if you're not, you kind of want to just buy this shit, even sports or Pokemon, keep it sealed and then keep it for 10 to 20 years.

33:39 And here's the deal does it does it suck sitting on something that long? Hell yeah, it just takes a space, you're tempted. It's just like you want to open it. You're like, what's inside of it? Yeah, it's like is there a show? Hey, what is there? Like, is there a charge or it's just at the end of the day, though, if you can just buy at least like two of each, open two of them, and then keep the other two, just do it however you want. But if you sit on it for ten years, you can make value. If you sit on it for twenty years, you make value. It's because people are looking for that thing, they're looking for it new where they can't find any. Well, well, like this these days everything is like selling out because of all these breakers buying cases and cases and cases, and like like that's the new thing.

34:29 Like, nobody's like buying just like a box or two. Well, I mean, people are like regular people are, but like the fact that so many cases like stores can't get allocations because breakers come first. You know what I'm saying? So, like you're right, sitting on it in 10 years is like is smart as fuck because all of it's getting opened. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And a breaker, to be honest with you, a breaker would probably actually buy that box from you 10 to 20 years from there because I don't see that business going away, and people actually sit and do breakers daily. I really hope it goes away. I do too because they monopolize the market, and I also want the assholes that even fuck up retail.

35:10 People don't realize retail is very affordable for a lot of people that can't afford hobby, and retail also does have some value if you pull a certain player, but it's like give don't ransack retail. If you are gonna go to retail, you you don't ransack the fucking vitamin aisle or the fucking bananas or the fucking granola bars, you fucking ransack the card section, just pick up what the fuck you want and get the fuck out of the aisle. It's not that hard. So I just feel like if you show more respect in that realm and also too, it's like leave some for somebody as well.

35:52 Like, yeah, like don't don't like fill up your shopping bar, just buy a box or two. Yeah, just realize too that like there's other people in that position trying to go for it. Yeah, if you get lucky and you feel like, oh, I beat out the other guy, so I have the fair right to get this over them, so be it. But yeah, just just don't don't take the last box if unless it is just the last box. Like, don't take five and you see somebody walking up and they're like, fuck. And it's like I mean, that's all you see on Instagram basically is people doing that. And my favorite thing is watching the scalpers like go into like Target and try and buy all of their product, and then like the employees are like shutting them down basically.

36:38 They're just like, I don't, I don't care about you. Like, I'm not I'm not gonna do this for you just because you're like making a big scene. Well, Target Like you can have your two boxes and you can get the fuck out, basically. Well, see, Target hires so many different people, and there's collectors that work for Target, and some of them are like, hey, I'll take it off the shelf and put it on bad after work instead of yeah, and you know, and they know what they're doing, and so it's like those people too, they they'll do it as well. So there's all kinds of people strategically doing it, and that's where you sometimes had to be super quick on the draw, but you also too kind of gotta watch your surroundings because you you know, you sit it down, tie your shoe or something.

37:22 It's like before at my at Meyer, I've had that happen. Really? Yeah, yeah. Like I was like, kind of like, should I buy this? And then I like I had two, and it was the last two, and I put one down. And then I was like, I walked away, and then I was like, eh, you know what I'm gonna go get it. It's gone immediately. Yeah. I was like, because there was like another dude like floating around it, you know what I'm saying? And then like as soon as I turn around, he was like, Mine, motherfucker. It's like a shark dude in water, and that's what's crazy. It's like when Myers would used to always put an end cap of cards, and then they would put on an aisle or they would build a section, and what and right now, guys, Houston and Duke are up right now to half, but um watching Charles Barkley talk to an animatronic basketball with a face with a face, and it's some of the creepiest shit I've ever seen because we got it on mute, and I feel like this is some fucked up shit.

38:20 This is strange. This is like it kind of looks like E.T. It's like E.T. is a basketball with Tier on. It's like supposed to be a Cinderella deal. I feel like it's weird. It feels like a fever dream. Even Charles probably feels freaking. I I am freaked the fuck out. That's called Old Ball. That's the name. Yeah, fuck. I got two old balls. They're trying to use this ATT has got this push to use James Bakesmith. It's the comedian. Like him, and now Andy Katz has picked up the ball. I hope he's gonna make a basketball. It literally could give you the perfect blowjob. This fucking basketball, but it won't even deflate.

39:02 It's old and perfect, it's still talking, yeah, and no one is freaked out. I would definitely I wish people could see this basketball. Look up the CBS March Madness basketball. This episode will come out in a week, so check it out. It's called Old Ball on the set. Wow. ATT, you are wild for this sponsor. It's still talking. It's gonna suck him off. It's still fucking talking. This if he doesn't even like pretend to like force it into his lap, I'm I'm gonna be so bad. I'm just gonna be mad. I hope I hope if he doesn't do it on air, he's doing it off air for now.

39:44 Yeah, for like Charles Barnett episode. Like where like where's Shaq? Shaq would definitely fucking face fuck that thing. That ball would explode, dude. Yeah, dude. Holy shit. And look, they're still watching this thing talk. Uh hold on, guys. I just want to see if we can hear it talk real quick. Oh it's got a normal, crazy voice. And they're fucking talking to this thing like it's a living person. Old ball. They called it OB.

40:25 Wow. Yeah, it is like on bike, and they were like, we need you to step in, motherfucker. Oh my gosh, that's some of the craziest shit. And also these things, another ATT marketing campaign. Dude, it's Blake Griffin. Is he just bored? What's this? Well, he is now an NBA analyst on with Amazon, but he's doing a lot of marketing stuff. He is funny, he's got a comedy humor, but this guy's like awkward, isn't it? And it's their new, it's their new March Madison speaker. He's a comedian. Yeah, they're like doing like a back and forth. And then you got the guy who I believe was on Saturday Live. That's yeah. There's a like another guy off air that was like he's been in a lot of the commercials, but yeah, college basketball is getting they got NIL and a lot of these players get these uh marketing deals, so you'll see them on these game commercials and stuff, which pretty cool.

41:19 I forgot we were on record there for a second. No, no, no, we're still going, yeah. But no, overall, it's because it's just it's always on this show, fun vibe, go with the flow. You never feel like things are being recorded. I mean, I'm okay with talking about uh old basketball sucking off of an equally old man. Which which is Charles Barkley looked so freaked out in that whole segment. He was just so freaked out. He was like, get this thing away from you. Yeah, because it looks evil, it looks it looks demonic, and I did not like it. Um I don't think I ever want to see old ball again on TV. I guarantee you you will. Yeah, I will, and also old ball will end up being some kind of sports memorabilia piece people will call it.

42:02 Um I noticed too um in the sports card realm, you know, these player exclusive deals, which like like we talked about Upper Deck used to do, it's interesting the players that are getting these, and it's fun to collect them. It's just like you wonder what the selection process that is, and you also wonder, too, like what what is the direction of some of these things? Because you know, I want to know lunch boxes are still around, but we're we're we need to like what's the future? Not not like these balls and figurines and like what is the future around? Is it is it just again finding autos?

42:43 What what do you believe? Yeah, I don't know. I I mean there's they put uh uh so much weird stuff into cards these days, like you can get like cleat bottoms and like the the I I mean uh like I guess if we're like talking about value, the thing would be like the what is it, the uh debut patches? Yeah. Those are like a thing. Because I mean you can get I mean you could probably get like a quote unquote cheap debut patch for like a few hundred dollars, you know what I'm saying, for like someone who didn't really pop. I don't I don't really know what the cheapest would be, but like that would just be a guess. Well wait, would the route be would the route be get it get a cheap patch and then connect with that player for more memorabilia?

43:28 Maybe, or even just like hold on to it and flip that into other stuff, you know what I'm saying? Like like turn like just like trading upwards or outwards, rather, you know what I'm saying? Like taking that card and trading it for something else of equal value that might be a little bit more desirable, or like trading it for like three or four different you know, cards that might be a little bit more desirable in a different way, like of a player that like is still around or someone who's like popping, you know what I mean? That would be the way to do it because you know 'cause then you can turn those cards into like other trades and then kind of diversify your collection if like that's what you want to do. But I mean you you meant like in like terms of like collecting right like just collecting.

44:15 Yeah. Yeah I mean autos is probably the way to go right now but at the same time with the market you just don't know if they're real. I know that to I know that they say top certified but I'm just like where's the like well the big well there's that big sticker autos suck like well the big controversy right now is the Topps and Csy Young situation. Topps had a uh Csai Young autograph came out on a card and too clean uh it's it's too clean a lot of the experts are saying it's fake and now there's an investigation that in a potential lawsuit I mean full disclosure I work for a company that does autopen like see like I know what it looks like I know how good it can I know how good and how bad it can look.

45:08 And see and that and that's how young that was that's controversial right now that auto that they're looking at the way it fades out on both tips of like the Y and the G, it just looks it also looks like something that would have been kind of more done later later down the road not in his life but I'm saying later with ball players like the way they sign. Yeah I just don't see it. And now here's the thing if it is real it's a hell of a piece and it's it probably deserves to be in Cooperstown. But the thing about it is there is a lot of those players back in the day you don't know because they're not alive and there's not the the only verification is a lot of this stuff is shut off iPad and it's like word it's you just have to take their word for it.

45:58 And you gotta take their word for it but also too you that's why you want to make sure that like you also in some way if it is a card that's over 100k value for you that can change your life just basically change your life yeah connect with the player. Oh for sure like I don't give a fuck if you have to go to five games reach out to ownership just say listen I'm not trying to get an auto or meet him just tell him I got this card I want to know did he sign for top like yeah like if you really need a surrogation but also too it's like it it's it's kind of like do your own research too and and realize like is this a brand I want to buy product from because a lot of people got bamboozled back in the day.

46:44 Is pretty sketchy with a lot of their like stuff. Well see they and they're and they have a lot of stuff too tied to European market with soccer and worldwide and you don't know what um people have pulled out like you don't know what stuff too that's international that you know if it's really that's true yeah because a lot of this is it's like where are they manufacturing where are they getting it and also too nowadays I've seen people in these sports car groups on Facebook they'll literally make a template and make a one of one card and get it autographed by the player with the lucky just interaction and that card could be a million dollars like if it was the real one of one and these people could scam and get away with that and that's where the further technology and the further the collector market goes and people can start creating their own one of ones it is going to get very very dangerous and if you want shit for your PC that's one thing but if you're trying to turn this into a business you're really gonna have to be careful.

47:49 Oh yeah for sure I mean there was a big thing the other year that like a lot of sports memorabilia there's like this like manifesto that came out uh like I I feel like most sports memorabilia out there right now is not legit like that's kind of the situation at hand. Is it because you think the market's hot and scammers see that and they're like let's start let's try to move stuff that people are interested in or do you just feel like it's too easy to get away with I mean both there's no like there's no like uh well there's too many certification companies the thing is is like the certification companies are in out you know what I'm saying I agree I we can talk about this more often air but there's just um I agree I can see them being involved with it yeah there's just um there's a yeah I I don't know we'll we yeah I don't want to talk about this no no I got you no I got you I understand it's just I get what you're saying I don't want to like I don't want to say anything like that it's being misconstrued no I totally get it and I yeah you don't want to slander something but at the end of the day I agree that it could be possible that that could happen uh I'm not saying that it is but uh it it would be that I unfortunately the time to do it is what what people would try to bank on you yeah I mean the the market is insanely hot right now but I guess there's just like there's no there's no regulation on it.

49:34 It's like crypto I mean there's no regulation on it. And in more of it is like you have about 20 big names and then people that all go the national all know each other and it trickles down and everyone kind of deals with each other and you have people that come up on cards which what they end up doing is go to like a golden auction house or something where they're splitting the profit with somebody else and it goes that way. So it's one of these cases where you really have to get that true certification but it it really you're right it really needs to tie down to where one company's doing grading one company's doing certification I don't care if you have to merge the shit together I understand you can have multiple people do it but it's like I don't even know about one company but you know but I feel like a good governed process like just a fair government.

50:27 There should at least be some like yeah stand standard standard yes that's what that's what I'm because like every company like does it differently yes you know what I mean like some companies use humans some companies use like an AI or like a computer program or something like that an algorithm like a f like actually taking like photos like micro like microscope photos of the cards and things like that whereas like PSA just uses a person you know a person's looking at I and they're they're probably using like the most high end lights and microscope not microscopes but like magnification glasses things like that but I still think that there's a lot of there's a lot of room for error.

51:20 Oh a hundred percent I think you know I think that it's it's all human error a hundred percent that can happen and I think too a lot of it like you said you just kind of hope and pray or trust or you know you just want to make sure it goes down slowly and and nowadays too it's like if you're not gonna go that route and get stuff graded or or dive too deep into it it's like just keep it in the best condition you can because someone's gonna buy it for some kind of value. Yeah I mean you see a lot of talk online about how in the long run especially right now with like PSA having a lot of like drama and stuff like that around it you hear a lot of people talking about how raw is like the way to go.

52:12 Because a lot of people are cracking their slabs I mean you know what I mean and so I I mean I watched a video of uh it was one of those really high-end sport card guys but they like did a little experiment where they had pulled uh a Ken Griffey Jr card it was the the the upper deck one the company they pulled it out of the pack because they bought like some boxes or whatever and uh they just decided to see what would happen and sent it to a bunch of different rating companies the same card fresh out of a pack. Like they sent it to like tag and they said it had been altered and then they they cracked it up from that slab and they sent it to PSA and it got like a six and then they cracked it out of that slab and then they sent it to Beckett and it got a different grade and then they cracked it out of that slab and sent it somewhere else and then they that one like didn't even accept it.

53:08 You know what I mean? Like and it's just like what what's going on there is a scam going on and I feel like it's just a one you do that even if they don't accept it. Yeah you're paying money to them and I feel like too it just I feel like you can make just as much money sometimes selling something raw because people are like okay I've y'all get it graded if I need to be but a lot of people go with these auction houses because they have the credit line and the affordability to buy the car graded because what I'm sorry I'm a little little allergies uh going on um but the main thing is what people don't realize is is that when they're sending in their cards like you and I talked about it can go up in value so quick and then you're paying more money to them to release the card.

54:03 And if you don't have those funds or emergency happen you're in a fucked up situation because you have a deadline and that card could have changed your life once it's graded and you don't know who's looking for it in that grade or you know anybody even that player because nowadays players are getting that market. So you just got to be careful sending stuff like as soon as you pull something don't rush to get it graded unless you have your finances together because it could turn into be a night nightmare scenario. It really can and it literally at that point you're sort of a bulk order. Oh if you send a bulk order and that's a that's a majority of your collection you're literally fucking yourself because number one you're taking a big risk sending that many and then taking the risk of like if that all goes up in value thousands of dollars that you don't have and then at that point too even if those cards have significant value you're already in the hole you you haven't started positive and now you have to try to sell them to get out of the hole.

55:10 That's the other thing is like that where I started where we started this podcast where I talked was talking about how like buying packs I love buying packs but it's a gamble grading is the exact same situation. You go on sports card uh what what was that website we were on sports card market or whatever yeah or uh TCG player whatever and it shows you the the value of like a 10 you know what I mean and you're like fuck this could be a 10 and then you pay the money you send it in you get a six and it's like okay well I paid$32 to get this back and now it's a six and the six is worth sixteen dollars so I'm now out sixteen dollars.

56:03 Yeah you know what I mean so it's like fuck. And see that's what makes it that's what makes the gamble of doing that and then like you said once you sell to somebody who knows who doesn't want to crack open that slab and then regrade it. Yeah exactly that happens a lot I mean people will like buy a a low grade slab and pray to God that they'll get a better grade they get a better grade from you know maybe the person on the other end is having a good day that day see I think that's just too much. I think that's a little bit of a scam like that's just I've I've heard that if you send because like I've I've heard that if like when you send in a PSA submission how you send it in in terms of like top to bottom is how they grade it and each one after that is graded based on the one after that.

56:59 Does that make sense? Oh okay so like if you have a six and then this one next to it like also looks like a six that one's gonna be a six too see it's just uh like you guess you can't beat the system. Yeah it's it's tough. Well I mean you can if you're you know you're you're an influencer. Yeah you're an influencer and you and you got you got the you got the pool. You got pull yeah for sure. No I feel that dude because it's it's just so fucking tough. But uh man dude it's been fun talking to you about cards. I love I love talking cards. We go for hours about it and of course I'll have you on down the road again. I'll be uh coming back with season eight later down down in the future but um thanks for coming on here I feel like cards are hot right now and I feel like they they haven't gone away and they're just a big deal um if anybody wants to reach out uh it's it's Doug K.

57:58 Just you know see him send him some on Facebook or Terrence McKenna rookie card on Instagram but uh BibleSleazy.com is the website Bible Seazy the podcast Facebook Instagram I want to thank everybody for listening and uh here's the deal if you collect go support your local card shop if you don't collect go check it out buy a pack and just see what the fun is about you might hate it you might love it and at the end of the day most likely whatever you pull you'll have some kind of come up and and if it's not come up financially it's a come up with a uh with a smile it's like a dope main rush yeah yeah you'll be you'll be pumped so thank you all for listening we are out peace