8 Louisville, Kentucky Ghost Stories and Urban Legends (VWS Edition)

0:02 Hey, what's up, everybody? Welcome to Bibin' with Sleazy, the podcast. This is season seven, episode nine, and I want to thank everybody for listening, tuning in, and downloading. This season's been a blast so far. I've had some great solo episodes and some great episodes with guests. So thanks for everybody that's been uh listening. And uh, you know, check out vibe and with sleazy.com for the latest episode updates and of course all of your favorite platforms where you listen to your favorite podcast. Um, this is gonna be a part one, part two solo episode. I am doing episode nine as part one, which is this one, and then I'll be doing part two on episode 10. And what I'm going to do, uh, which I think is always fun, when I'm not doing solo episodes based on sports or something very, very important.

0:48 Um, I like to try to go the haunted route, talk about uh history, talk about ghosts, talk about mysteries, um, unsolved mysteries. Uh, I've done uh true crime before, so it's fun to kind of dive deep into this. I am uh using some research that I have gotten uh just you know through looking up some things and things that I know and things that I wanted to learn about. But uh part one is going to be eight Louisville, Kentucky area ghost stories and urban legends. So I want to focus on Louisville, Kentucky, where I live. Um, I think it's fun because uh even though Louisville's covered a lot, you know, with Derby and different things, I don't always think that the ghost and the mysteries are always uh, you know, public or talked about besides, you know, Waverly Hills, of course, which we'll dive into Waverly Hills in this episode, and we'll dive into Waverly Hills on part 10 as well.

1:46 Um the first let's let's dive in the the the first uh ghost story that I want to talk about, and uh I'll try to share some history with the places as well, but it's the Lady in White, um, aka Carrie Lindenberger. So Carrie Lindenberger lived um back in the 1800s, so the situation is um she lived at the Peterson Duminal house, and the Peterson Duminel house was built in 1869 and um has 14-foot tall ceilings, an Italian villa parquade, a wraparound porch, a spinal staircase, a distinctive Coppola.

2:30 It's also fun fact, home to the oldest and largest ginkgo tree and the whole entire region. Uh ginkgo trees are uh rare around here, and to be that big uh and to be there in the region is uh very, very cool. Um, in 1976, the Peterson Dumino House was actually placed on the North National Historic Register and it's designed to be a local landmark. They they have a website, they they promote this house, they want people to come out and check on this house, and it was actually uh available to groups on a rental basis in 1977, a year after it was registered.

3:11 Uh, the Board of Education declared the property surplus in 1982. Um, and the Duminal House, the carriage house, and grounds were actually sold to a newly formed nonprofit, which is now called the Peterson Duminal House Foundation. So the situation with this house is that Carrie Peterson-Lindenberg, she died about a month after giving birth to triplet boys. And the sad thing is during this birth, all three of the triplic boys passed away as well. And she now apparently haunts, in a good way, the Crescent Hill neighborhood near the Peterson Dumino house.

3:52 And when a child is lost in that neighborhood, she will guide them to the steps of the house and tell them that their mother will be there shortly to bring them home. Uh, there have been several people that have seen this and have experienced this, and you know, there's been people that uh affiliate the house and they actually consider this haunt to be one of the nicest around. Um, and a little bit of the history, you know, revolving this house is that over uh you know, 155 years ago, this has you know basically become an iconic symbol, especially for that neighborhood.

4:35 And you just notice how people came to Louisville, you know, uh Joseph and his wife, you know, uh came back in you know 1837. And then uh, you know, basically uh Lindenberg and his and his wife, you know, they had two daughters, which was the Carrie that we're talking about, the ghost Carrie Lindenberg, which she was actually born in 1858. And um, you know, they were in the tobacco business. Uh, they also uh had some connections in the railroad business as well. And so this house was beautiful and and very cool, but um, it is definitely someone uh that haunts that area, and it's Carrie Lindenberger, and that whole area is a lot of foot traffic, a lot of walk around, big historic houses.

5:25 So um old Louisville always gets kind of the uh recognition for being the uh historic neighborhood, uh, but uh you know, can't forget about those houses off of uh Franklin, Frankfurt Avenue and uh close there to Barrett Middle School. You know, they have that uh brick uh hill that goes down, and you know, that's super old school, dates back to the 1800s, so it's uh it's pretty cool. Um I want to shout out also uh Carolyn Brown, um, who you know at one time did some work at Leo Weekly, and uh, you know, I did a lot of work at Leo Weekly. So uh like to definitely use some of her uh research and information, but also go off information that I have learned and that I've already known uh you know regarding this house and these other houses and places.

6:18 So um the location of the Peterson Dumino House is actually 301 South Peterson Avenue. So uh if you want to go check that out, I'm gonna definitely be sharing the addresses so everybody knows. Um the next building I want to talk about is Waverly Hills Sanitarium. And I want to also apologize, I'm a little nasally allergies are getting me uh, you know, the weather changes and stuff, but uh we're gonna keep pumping through. But uh the ghost of Waverly Hills Sanitarium, uh 4301 East Pages Lane, which is off Dixie Highway, out in the Valley Station area. And the situation with Waverly Hills, it is considered to be probably the most famous haunted institution in the world, um, you know, definitely in America.

7:07 Uh, you know, ghost uh hunters have been there twice. Uh I've been there. Uh I know several people have been there. I've actually had family that died there. And the situation with Waverly Hills is it was a tuberculosis hospital. Tuberculosis had hit Jefferson County where Louisville is horribly. People were dying left and right. They, you know, believe they had some kind of cures at this hospital to help or prolong life, you know, until it took over. You know, of course the vaccines work, and vaccines were what uh, you know, is what prevented um tuberculosis, you know, moving forward.

7:49 Uh, we haven't seen it happen anymore, but during that time it was a true epidemic. I mean, people were dying left and right. Um, the thing about Waverly Hills, you know, they have a nurse who committed suicide on the top floor, a little boy who likes to play with the rubber ball, and then of course the victims of disease. Um, there there was so much dark and and scary times at this place. I remember growing up in Louisville, and when I was younger, my family actually were not a big fan of me even going there, um, even going with friends, even going for the fictional haunted house. Um, I was real confused. Um, even though I believed in ghosts at a young age, it was one of these cases where I was trying to figure out, you know, why, but my family, you know, I think was scared that something would latch on.

8:38 We're we're real big believers in the stuff, and about, you know, with family dying there. Um I remember my dad telling me a story. He went there with his parents um in the 60s to see his grandmother who was in the hospital, and uh, you know, she she actually had had passed there, rest in peace, and he looked up and waved at her. And I he remembers he couldn't uh come in, but he remembers sitting in the parking lot waving up at her and you know, and that place being full. And you know, at that time, you know, he he never thought it would become this haunted attraction and this uh you know place that people around the world and TV shows come to film.

9:24 And you know, my mom also remembers it when she was younger, you know, and and a lot of people talked about it around that time, and especially, you know, what it had become, and then it it just kind of had darker and darker history. I mean, it became like a senior care citizen place afterwards, and you know, after the tuberculosis epidemic, and there was abuse there. Uh, you know, there's actually a story, uh, a guy from, you know, they wouldn't have probably known, and I believe it ran all the way to uh the 80s, um, and then it just shut down and and has been emptied for so long. Uh a guy that, you know, back in the day they would go around and check on facilities and buildings and make sure that they're running, you know, up to state code, and a guy from Kentucky's government came in and he looked around and he said things were looking good.

10:20 Well, he was supposed to have a meeting, and uh I believe he was supposed to have a meeting on like the fourth floor, or and he hit a button, and um he may have gone to like the third floor, but he he got off on a wrong floor and he started walking around and he saw how patients were locked in these doors and being fed food and you know, no bathroom uses shitting and pissing on each other, you know, where uh there, you know, there was bathrooms in a lot of these rooms, but you know, they it just sounded like a almost another torture facility, horrible thing. So he shut it down immediately. And then at that point, Waverly Hills have been shut down ever since.

11:00 Um, what's interesting during one of my tours when I was in the kitchen of Waverly, and I had this happen to me at the Sorrel Weed House in Savannah, Georgia. I've been told by many ghost hunters and ghost people that I have maybe a phantom senses where I can smell and taste things that, you know, haven't been happening in over 50 years. Uh uh when I was at the sorrel weed house, I was in the hospital room where they had done surgeries. I could taste blood, smell blood. I also was in the laundry room and I could taste and smell laundry. And only me and one other person on our whole entire tour group uh actually had those encounters. And then I had the same thing happen to me at Waverly Hills.

11:43 When I was walking by the kitchen, I could smell bread, I could smell fresh cooked bread coming out of like an oven. So when I looked over, I noticed that um, you know, wow, I was in the kitchen, you know, where where the oven had been. So pretty, pretty freaky on that level. Um, I remember going when um I worked at Leo Weekly and uh they invited a bunch of editorial people over. They wanted to turn Waverly at that time into a hotel. They've had so many different ideas and ownership and changes and regulations and code and work. It's insane. And right now, the people that own and run it, they have their security, you know, running out of the laundry facility, which is offs, which is another building off of Waverly Hills, kind of down in the woods.

12:33 Uh, it's it's spooky itself, but they got about 30 TV cameras all over, so nobody breaks in. A lot of people say there's a fun fact that at least one person, no matter what weather time of year, break into Waverly Hills every year, uh, every day. So every day there's a break into Waverly Hills. Um, and you know, you talk to locals around town of all different ages, everyone has a Waverly Hills story, uh, where they broke in and snuck in, where they went, where they did a pay tour, where they stayed overnight, where they um, you know, heard something through somebody else.

13:14 I mean, Waverly Hills, if you live in Louisville and you've been here a while, uh, you got a story. And if you don't, you need to get one because uh it's pretty cool this place is here. Um, but pretty much uh with Waverly Hills, uh when I went, we did a tour on the exterior of the building, and I felt like I saw some things. I felt like I learned some things about the building. But then when I went, shout out to Eddie Rice when I who's been on Viving with Sleazy. Uh, when I went uh with Eddie, uh we did uh a thing during the middle of the night, and it was amazing. It was like got to go down the death chute, which is basically where they used to travel transport the bodies down the tunnel and like the chute, and it would go down to a railroad that's close to Dixie Highway down the bottom of the hill, and they transport the bodies out because of how many people were dying.

14:07 And they didn't want other guests to see it because it would kill morale, so they had a way to you know to transport the bodies without people seeing it and doing it underground. So being in there was extremely, extremely scary and spooky. They actually had one of the hospital beds that was still around down there, and they would just transport it, and we threw two cat balls down at the end of the thing, and cat balls, these cat balls really had to be um, you know, hit or bothered, and we even threw like a tennis ball, and we started getting the balls to do crazy light up stuff, and it was definitely something talking to us. And at that point, our guide who was with us pretty much just wanted to dip, they wanted to get out.

14:52 I uh when I got to the fifth floor, I looked over the roof, and uh, you know, I was in the 502 room, and you got a sense of people that had had been up there, but then when I got to the fourth floor walking through, I saw a man on a walker. He had like a uh uh a patient outfit that you would wear. He had a long beard, he was frozen, he was like basically rotten and dying, and it was one of the scariest things I've ever seen. I can't stop picturing my head. Like I get goosebumps and uh scared after, you know, thinking about it, but it was crazy. Even the caboose person, they had a guide and then they had a caboose person that would lead the the tours at the back, and it was crazy.

15:38 They they witnessed it too, and you know, so I I believe of that whole building, and everybody will tell you a different story of where their experience is at, but I uh I'm definitely gonna say, in my opinion, the fourth floor is uh definitely the scariest place. Um the next place I want to talk about is the Pink Palace. Uh, that is at 1473 St. James Court. St. James Court is uh home to some of the oldest houses in America. Old Louisville is considered the oldest neighborhood in the United States. Uh, tons of history, tons of scary stuff, tons of uh just overall ghost stories and and just things that have happened over the years.

16:25 You know, there at one time there was a cabbage boy that would run around selling cabbage and delivering cabbage, and he went up and down um uh all those courts where they had St. James, and uh it was pretty crazy. You know, he died, he froze, and uh you still see him. And I've been in old Louisville a bunch. I've been in old houses, I've stayed different places, and I get a weird feeling um every time I'm in that area. I mean, even at my old boss's office, like uh he was there in West Ormsby, and my friend Stephanie lived right across the street from you know Central Park there.

17:08 And and what's crazy is like when you're in these houses, you don't process and realize how much has gone down in these houses. So like when you're having a game night or you're having fun or um a party or something, you're not realizing that you know, 100 years before that was another party going down, um, you know, of all different types of sorts. But yes, so the Pink Palace, it's a beautiful, beautiful pink home. Very, very bright pink. Uh, you can spot it anywhere when you're in old Lowell, especially near the St. James area in Central Park. Um, it's another friendly ghost, though. And it's not Casper, of course, but it's Avery.

17:51 And Avery lived at the Pink Palace, a mansion in Old Lowell, that used to actually be a gentleman's club and a casino. So, you know, even though back then, you know, there are things for more etiquette and stuff, there's still places where people wanted to go have fun and cut loose and uh, you know, rebel. And a uh lot of stuff has happened at the uh at the Pink Palace, you know, kitchen fire, attempted burglary, uh, scene trip hazards, you know, um basically just a lot of dangers that Avery has helped through. I mean, Avery had the look of like Colonel Sanders.

18:33 Uh so it's like picture, you're basically a very helpful Colonel Sanders helping you and assisting you while things are going down at this house. And um basically, you know, the thing about Mr. Avery is that he haunts this place because uh that is just where he was at one time. And I no one really knows if he truly died there, but he was a tall, strapping southern gentleman, and he allegedly, you know, he appeared just to warn residents of dangers, and that's what he still does to this day. So a lot of people in this house, instead of being scared or spooked, they are feeling kind of safe in some regards that Avery will come in and save the day and uh tell them, you know, where to go and and what to watch out for.

19:25 So definitely a house to check out. Um, I remember going on the historic Louisville Ghost Tour, which was like the old Louisville Ghost Tour, uh, which started in Central Park and you walked around. I actually did that while I was at Leo Weekly, and um very, very, very cool uh experience and a very uh cool place to just really, really um I don't know, just just see and think about and wonder and you kind of picture yourself being there back in the day. And what I like about uh old Louisville is that they like do Shakespeare in the park and they do all these different things.

20:07 And what is interesting about it is that uh there's just so much history and so much that you just you you can't believe how much you're seeing. So it pretty much is a place I would definitely check out. Um, you know, just looking at the architecture of the building. It is it is super duper cool. Um, the next place I want to talk about is the Lady of the Stairs. Um, this is at the steps of the first Church of Christ, uh, Scientist, which is at 1305 South Third Street, so another place that uh, you know, close to old Louisville.

20:50 Um, this is a sad love story. It's uh set in the pandemic, and a younger woman who was basically betrothed to an elderly distilling magnate was in love with a young soldier, and she sneaked out of her aunt and uncle's house to rendezvous with him on the church steps every night. And then until one faithful night when he never showed up, she paced back and forth until dawn and went home heartbroken, thinking he abandoned her. Little did she know, though, that he had caught a fatal case of the Spanish flu. The Spanish flu was killing tons of people back then. She died not long after, also of Spanish flu, but also people saying of heartbreak symptoms.

21:32 And you know, heart heartbreak can can kill you. You know, I I've been through it, I know tons of people have been through it, I know people that died from it. It it just puts that wear and tear on your body. So the legend says on some nights you can see the ghost of the woman on the steps waiting for her true love to return there. Um, I have seen this building, and um, it is very beautiful, very historic. Uh, again, I've never had any experiences with her, but you can just tell how. The Spanish flu took out people, and you wonder how COVID had killed a bunch of people, how other you know, polio, all this stuff. If you wonder if these areas where these cases were high, how many other ghost situations are there?

22:14 How many places where people died of heartbreak or or loss and had to go through these uh you know tough times? So um definitely an interesting place to check out. Another place, too, which is great about these places, you can just pull up in your car and check it out for a little bit or get out of your car and walk around. A lot of these places are public, a lot of these places it's not a big deal for you to be there. So that's another reason why I feel it's safe to uh explain it all to you. Um, the next one I want to talk about, um, not not I I'm gonna give it a Kentuckiana rating. It's in southern Indiana, but right across the river from Louisville. Um, so we're we're gonna throw it on the uh Louisville uh, you know, roster of ghosts and urban legends.

22:58 But the Witches Castle, uh Upper River Road in Utica, Indiana. Um, so this is a very small graffiti-covered stone structure near the Lewis and Clark Bridge, and it's real. But the mystery comes from it uh because of basically spooky origins. So a local paranormal investigator, Jenny Stewart, who is also a medium, um, when she was actually working with an old co-worker of mine, Danielle Grady, to basically decode messages in the castle. And um a lot of local legends say um at this castle that witches used to live there. Um, a lot of people have said they saw a figure of a woman who reached her hand out.

23:41 And um Stuart, who actually was that uh you know, paranormal investigator, said that she had her hand reached out to her by that same ghost. And her now husband has also seen a six-foot-tall shadow person. Um Melissa Roach, who used to own the property, says the building was never haunted. It was simply a sacred private chapel that uh has since been desegregated where it's basically not being used. However, the witch's castle was involved in a modern-day tragedy. A group of teenagers took 12-year-old Shonda Sharir there as a stop on the night, and they murdered her in 1992.

24:22 So a lot of dark history there. Um, a lot of people I've I have read have maybe tried to tie in the 1992 murder into more of a witch's forklore and make it more scary and uh uh you know make the place sound like it's haunted. But um, from what other ghost investigators have seen and heard, they have gotten senses of witches, and witches were common. Witches are common now. So uh if you don't believe witches are real and you just think it's Halloween, I actually know personal witches, and uh yeah, you know, you gotta be safe. You never want to cross over a witch. Um, and so a lot of people definitely, you know, believe this witches castle was involved in in some real, you know, modern day tragedy, and you can you know see it there uh close to the bridge and uh pretty uh pretty crazy to uh to check out.

25:18 Um the next one that I want to talk about is one that I actually take a lot of people to. I try to take as many people there when they come to town, especially if they're a believer, especially if they're into these ghost encounters and ghost uh history, but it's the witch's tree. And the witch's tree is something that I refuse to touch. There is people that touch it, there's people that hug it, take pictures, uh hang gifts on it from beads, sackozies to uh go down and worship it around Halloween. So this place has just a lot of dark energy and and craziness, but it's got a very interesting story, and it's at the northwest corner of Park Avenue and 6th Street, directly across from Central Park.

26:06 You can't miss it. It actually takes over the whole corner of this apartment building that's behind it. I a shout out to A. B. Bailey. Um, I know A B and he at one time lived in that place, and uh he's actually, you know, gave me a little info on the witches tree of what he's seen, and he's seen people worship it in around October, and you know, it's definitely a place to visit when it's spooky, but overall, it's just it's just a it's a really cool tree. It looks different than any tree in the area, so there's no other tree that looks like this. And I've even talked to tree expert people who have said, you know, some arborists have said, Oh, it might have got disease, or it might have had no, no, the the this tree, there's there's something different.

26:54 So basically, getting back into the witches situation, a hundred years ago, there was a coven of witches who used to conduct rituals and witchy business around this tall, straight maple tree where it gnarled the witch's tree name, and it stands to this day. And in 1889, uh the city cut it down to turn into a deciding non-witchy may pole for a May Day celebration. Now, here's the deal that's interesting to hear that from some of the research I'm reading. However, a lot of things I've heard is that uh a tornado was going to come through, and that's the reason they wanted to tear it down.

27:35 But let me read on and we'll we'll kind of dissect of what the true meaning is. As the tree came crashing down, the witches went shrieking out of town to the west end, where there was still forest back then. So they would go to the west end to try to use those trees down there. And before they left, through though, the head witch turned around and she cursed the city of Louisville. And her final words were beware, Louisville, beware, the 11th month. So this is where I believe maybe I or others have gotten their story mixed up on this uh in the past. So basically, 11 months later, on March 27, 1890, a big tornado struck through town, and over a hundred people died, and a lot of those beautiful old Louisville houses got damaged.

28:20 And a boat of lightnings allegedly shot out of the tornado onto the spot where the old tree had been, and the gnarled tree that currently stands at Central Park grew from its stump. And today people decorate the tree with necklaces and charms as offering for the witches. So it's pretty much to give more good vibe in the neighborhood and for the city. So these witches, once they left, that that's interesting. And I'm glad that I have dug into some of the research that I got from uh Miss Brown because the situation with this, a lot of people tell this story as this witch went down to city council and begged them not to tear down the trees because they were tearing down trees to prepare for the tornado that was going to come through, so not a lot of damage would happen.

29:06 So to read that they actually had this taken down for a May Day celebration is very, very interesting. And also, too, to think back where that May Day celebration would have been, that's interesting as well because there's some houses around there that have some you know walls and uh old history and a lot of stuff going on. So it's interesting that they had the celebration right there. You would think it would have been more in the central park area, but very interesting. And uh to hear this happen is uh is is pretty wild. So uh Park Avenue, 6th Street, Northwest Corner. You can't miss it, it's directly across the street from Central Park.

29:49 Uh the next one I want to talk about is something that was huge when I was a kid. Everyone talked about this, especially being in J Town. I'm born and raised, still live in J Town. Uh J Town alumni, you know, done it all here, and uh actually have my brick retired at the J Town Library and at the J Town High School, so very blessed to have that. But uh this is a story that kind of leads out almost on the way to Taylorsville, but it is uh Goatman or Poplic Monster, which is at the trestles. Um and that is the railroad trestle down there, and they call it Hat Makers in that area.

30:31 There has been a lot of dark history in that area. There's actually an old house and kind of farmland that's haunted where you supposedly can see the owner hung himself by the sign. There's been murders at the soccer field, Satan worshiping down there. Um, but with this story, growing up, you would hear so many things. Uh, you didn't want to see a train on that bridge because it's bad luck, because it's rare. People said when they would walk up and down the trestles, you know, if the train came, they would go flying off. Um, I've actually gone down there with friends back in high school and sat in my car underneath the trestles, and you know, it was uh pretty spooky and scary.

31:14 Didn't see anything, but um people call this thing the goat man, they call it Poplik Monster, um, because that's the Popelick Bridge, uh, also is what people call it. But this is at Poplik Park, 4002 South Poplik Road. You can't miss it. Um, the trestles, as soon as you're going down Taylorsville Road, you're just gonna see it uh there to your left. And when you're coming out of Spencer County, heading back into Louisville, you'll see it there to your right. Um, the legacy is it basically lives on is that a lot of people say that this goat man, there was a circus train that was coming through town and it was riding on the trestles, and uh he fell off of the circus train, and the circus never came back to get him, and he remained in that area, and people would get scared of him.

32:06 People say that he threw rocks at Boy Scout groups, um, people have been knocked out. There's been couples on dates, supposedly disappeared and supposedly ate by Goldman or murdered. Uh, a lot of people have found this little house up there in the woods when you go up towards the top of the trestles, and uh it was abandoned, but they found like a mattress, and people thought that's where they possibly stayed. A lot of people though say when you're on that bridge, uh, if you if you see them, it's like you you can't run, there's nowhere to really escape, and it's kind of forces you into a train. If a train's coming, you're you're pretty much stuck.

32:48 I mean, you can you can't you can't outrun a train. I mean, you gotta think about it. When a train is coming, it's not stopping. And as much as it wants to stop, especially up that high, it can't. So you're gonna have to keep running and running and running, and you know, maybe hang off from the side, and that's gonna be hard with a train at that speed coming by, and then you know, it's just a very, very spooky thing. But this is actually has a festival now. Uh, shout out to Whitney Aidon, she's actually gonna be on my show uh this upcoming season. We've already booked it this morning, but uh yeah, people um people love this festival and people talk about it.

33:29 She makes uh goatmen out of felt, and so uh goatmen don't really have a true identity or picture. A lot of people have made different theories, but uh definitely if you're in the J Town area, make a trip over to see uh the goatmen. And then the last one I want to talk about is the ghost of Sister Francesca. Uh this is at St. Francis of Rome Church, which is which is at 2119 Pain Street. So very close to that uh first place that we discussed, um, and a place that uh is definitely close to Frankfurt Avenue and uh kind of the uh Highlands area.

34:11 Um and what's what's interesting about Pain Street is you know it's kind of like a very historic road. It's got a lot of history, a lot of stuff that's been there, old distilleries, and if you kind of take Pain and you'll see kind of all the the interesting stuff and old houses, and it's a cool place. But basically, this is one where uh you know it's reported people basically that stay there as saying like the people that work in the church see a ghost of a woman, and they assumed it was the first was Saint Francis herself. Uh woman was actually Sister Francesca's what was what she went by, and she was a nun who taught at the school before dying in a plane crash in West Virginia in 1968.

34:59 Uh, people have seen her pushing a broom around inside the school. Um, people have also uh seen her uh you know just kind of walk by, and people swear on the Bible that they've seen her, uh, people that work in the church they've seen her. So a lot of people that you know society wouldn't think would lie about it, uh uh have have told this story of seeing her. And um basically uh, you know, when they they saw a ghost of her, they they tried to snap a picture at a midnight mass on Christmas, and they couldn't use the photos because it was just covered in white orbs. So this place is another one that you might have to actually be inside the church to get the full experience of this ghost or spirit.

35:47 But I believe that just going to the church and checking it out, and it's not far, and that's another thing. All these places can be hit in a 30-minute drive. Now, the Pope Lick one, the Indiana one, you got a you got a bit of a drive. That that's not gonna hit it. But but about six of the eight you can hit in a 20-minute, 30-minute drive. So you can make this a Saturday or Sunday adventure, you know, and uh dive into it. Or you can say this for Halloween and then you know share what experiences that you've had. So um this is part one of a uh ghost, spooky uh Louisville history, urban legend, uh uh lore and stories.

36:29 And then my part two one is gonna be 13 haunted locations in Louisville, uh, that will scare you. And that is something um that I did some research on, uh, kind of worked with Sydney Katanina, uh, not her personally. And again, Carolyn Brown did not work with her personally, do these podcasts, just mentioned both of them for references on their research and data. So uh they did great things, and you know, I remember them at Leo Weekly, and so um very, very excited to uh also share my personal stories uh with these places, and I'm excited to do that as well in uh episode 10. But thank you all for listening. And uh, if if you have any stories pertaining to the place I talked about, reach out.

37:12 Um, I'd love to hear about it. But uh this is Bible with Sleazy the podcast, season seven, episode nine. Uh, and again, you know, I want to thank everybody that has been supporting the show and enjoying the season. And uh BibleSleazy.com is the website and uh Bible Sleazy the podcast, Facebook, Instagram, and uh again, this is eight Louisville area ghost stories, nurvine legends. Peace.